$x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$ if and only if $a$ divides $b$ Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)number theory division of power for the case $(n^r −1)$ divides $(n^m −1)$ if and only if $r$ divides $m$.How to show that if p is prime and m,n are natural numbers then $p^m -1 | p^n -1$$a,r,min mathbbZ^+$ prove that $(a^r-1)mid (a^m-1)Leftrightarrow rmid m$Show that $x^p^m - x$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $m$ divides $n$.Let $a$ and $b$ be integers $ge 1$. prove that $(2^a-1) | (2^ab-1)$.Prove that $gcd(a^n - 1, a^m - 1) = a^gcd(n, m) - 1$Proving that $gcd(2^m - 1, 2^n - 1) = 2^gcd(m,n ) - 1$Factoring $a^10+a^5+1$Number theory fun problemProve that if $frac 10^n-19 | frac 10^m-19$, then $n|m$If $a^2$ divides $b^2$, then $a$ divides $b$Suppose $a, b$ and $n$ are positive integers. Prove that $a^n$ divides $b^n$ if and only if $a$ divides $b$.Prove that $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $a$ if and only if $a = pm b$If $N$ divides $a$ and $N$ divides $b$ thennumber theory division of power for the case $(n^r −1)$ divides $(n^m −1)$ if and only if $r$ divides $m$.If $a^a$ divides $b^b$, then $a$ divides $b$?Prove: For a,b,c positive integers, ac divides bc if and only if a divides bLet $n,a_1,a_2,ldots,a_n$ be integers such that $a_1a_2a_3cdots a_n =n$ and $a_1+a_2+a_3+cdots+a_n=0$. Prove that 4 divides nProve that if 2 divides n and 7 divides n, then 14 divides nA problem on divisibility: If $c$ divides $ab$ and $gcd(b,c)=1$, then prove that $c$ divides $a$.
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Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)number theory division of power for the case $(n^r −1)$ divides $(n^m −1)$ if and only if $r$ divides $m$.How to show that if p is prime and m,n are natural numbers then $p^m -1 | p^n -1$$a,r,min mathbbZ^+$ prove that $(a^r-1)mid (a^m-1)Leftrightarrow rmid m$Show that $x^p^m - x$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $m$ divides $n$.Let $a$ and $b$ be integers $ge 1$. prove that $(2^a-1) | (2^ab-1)$.Prove that $gcd(a^n - 1, a^m - 1) = a^gcd(n, m) - 1$Proving that $gcd(2^m - 1, 2^n - 1) = 2^gcd(m,n ) - 1$Factoring $a^10+a^5+1$Number theory fun problemProve that if $frac 10^n-19 | frac 10^m-19$, then $n|m$If $a^2$ divides $b^2$, then $a$ divides $b$Suppose $a, b$ and $n$ are positive integers. Prove that $a^n$ divides $b^n$ if and only if $a$ divides $b$.Prove that $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $a$ if and only if $a = pm b$If $N$ divides $a$ and $N$ divides $b$ thennumber theory division of power for the case $(n^r −1)$ divides $(n^m −1)$ if and only if $r$ divides $m$.If $a^a$ divides $b^b$, then $a$ divides $b$?Prove: For a,b,c positive integers, ac divides bc if and only if a divides bLet $n,a_1,a_2,ldots,a_n$ be integers such that $a_1a_2a_3cdots a_n =n$ and $a_1+a_2+a_3+cdots+a_n=0$. Prove that 4 divides nProve that if 2 divides n and 7 divides n, then 14 divides nA problem on divisibility: If $c$ divides $ab$ and $gcd(b,c)=1$, then prove that $c$ divides $a$.
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Let $x > 1$ and $a$, $b$ be positive integers. I know that $a$ divides $b$ implies that $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$. If $b = qa$, then
$x^b - 1 = (x^a)^q - 1^q = (x^a - 1)((x^a)^q-1 + ldots + x^a + 1)$
I'm interested in the converse of the statement. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, does this imply that $a$ divides $b$?
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Let $x > 1$ and $a$, $b$ be positive integers. I know that $a$ divides $b$ implies that $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$. If $b = qa$, then
$x^b - 1 = (x^a)^q - 1^q = (x^a - 1)((x^a)^q-1 + ldots + x^a + 1)$
I'm interested in the converse of the statement. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, does this imply that $a$ divides $b$?
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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Generalization : math.stackexchange.com/questions/7473/…
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Let $x > 1$ and $a$, $b$ be positive integers. I know that $a$ divides $b$ implies that $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$. If $b = qa$, then
$x^b - 1 = (x^a)^q - 1^q = (x^a - 1)((x^a)^q-1 + ldots + x^a + 1)$
I'm interested in the converse of the statement. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, does this imply that $a$ divides $b$?
elementary-number-theory
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Let $x > 1$ and $a$, $b$ be positive integers. I know that $a$ divides $b$ implies that $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$. If $b = qa$, then
$x^b - 1 = (x^a)^q - 1^q = (x^a - 1)((x^a)^q-1 + ldots + x^a + 1)$
I'm interested in the converse of the statement. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, does this imply that $a$ divides $b$?
elementary-number-theory
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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– Chris Leary
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Generalization : math.stackexchange.com/questions/7473/…
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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– Chris Leary
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Generalization : math.stackexchange.com/questions/7473/…
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– lab bhattacharjee
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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– Chris Leary
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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Generalization : math.stackexchange.com/questions/7473/…
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Let $b=a cdot q+r$.
Then
$$x^b-1=x^b-x^r+x^r-1=x^r(x^aq-1)+x^r-1 ,.$$
Use that $x^a-1$ divides $x^aq-1$.
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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Hint $:$ By Theorem below $rm:(x^a!-1,x^b!-1) = x^(a,b)!-1$ $[ rm: =: x^a!-1!iff! (a,b)=a!iff! amid b,]$
when applied to $rm f_n = x^n!-1 = x^n-m : (x^m!-1) + x^n-m!-1 =: g f_m + f_n-mequiv f_n-mpmodf_m$
Theorem $: $ If $rm:f_n:$ is a sequence in a GCD domain (domain where gcds exist) satisfying $rm f_:0 =: 0: $ and $rm : f_nequiv f_n-m (mod f_m) $ for $rm: n > m $ then $rm: (f_n,f_m) = f_(n,:m) : $ where $rm (i,:j) = gcd(i,:j):$.
Proof $ $ By induction on $rm:n + m:$. The theorem is trivially true if $rm n = m $ or $rm n = 0 $ or $rm: m = 0:$.
So we may assume $rm:n > m > 0:$.$ $ Note $rm (f_n,f_m): = (f_n-m,f_m) $ follows from the hypothesis.
Since $rm: (n-m)+m < n+m: , $ induction yields $rm (f_n-m,f_m) = f_(n-m,:m) = f_(n,:m) $
See this post and its links for more on such divisibility sequences.
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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Let $b=a cdot q+r$.
Then
$$x^b-1=x^b-x^r+x^r-1=x^r(x^aq-1)+x^r-1 ,.$$
Use that $x^a-1$ divides $x^aq-1$.
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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– TheRandomGuy
Mar 5 '16 at 14:47
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
Mar 5 '16 at 19:52
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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Let $b=a cdot q+r$.
Then
$$x^b-1=x^b-x^r+x^r-1=x^r(x^aq-1)+x^r-1 ,.$$
Use that $x^a-1$ divides $x^aq-1$.
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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– TheRandomGuy
Mar 5 '16 at 14:47
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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Let $b=a cdot q+r$.
Then
$$x^b-1=x^b-x^r+x^r-1=x^r(x^aq-1)+x^r-1 ,.$$
Use that $x^a-1$ divides $x^aq-1$.
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Let $b=a cdot q+r$.
Then
$$x^b-1=x^b-x^r+x^r-1=x^r(x^aq-1)+x^r-1 ,.$$
Use that $x^a-1$ divides $x^aq-1$.
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:58
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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– TheRandomGuy
Mar 5 '16 at 14:47
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@N.S. Aren't you using recursion there? The last sentence.
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– TheRandomGuy
Mar 5 '16 at 14:47
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
Mar 5 '16 at 19:52
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@DhruvSomani The last step is just the formula $$y^q-1^q=(y-1)(y^q-1+..+y+1)$$
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– N. S.
Mar 5 '16 at 19:52
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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Notice that with the conditions of strict inequality in the Euclidean algorithm we cannot have dat $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$. So it is more precise !
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– Maman
Oct 16 '17 at 18:19
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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I arrived that $x^a-1$ divides $x^r-1$, but how does that means $r=0$?
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– Ning Wang
Mar 18 '18 at 9:55
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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It seems like that $0 le r <a$ is needed. @Maman: Is this what you meant?
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Hint $:$ By Theorem below $rm:(x^a!-1,x^b!-1) = x^(a,b)!-1$ $[ rm: =: x^a!-1!iff! (a,b)=a!iff! amid b,]$
when applied to $rm f_n = x^n!-1 = x^n-m : (x^m!-1) + x^n-m!-1 =: g f_m + f_n-mequiv f_n-mpmodf_m$
Theorem $: $ If $rm:f_n:$ is a sequence in a GCD domain (domain where gcds exist) satisfying $rm f_:0 =: 0: $ and $rm : f_nequiv f_n-m (mod f_m) $ for $rm: n > m $ then $rm: (f_n,f_m) = f_(n,:m) : $ where $rm (i,:j) = gcd(i,:j):$.
Proof $ $ By induction on $rm:n + m:$. The theorem is trivially true if $rm n = m $ or $rm n = 0 $ or $rm: m = 0:$.
So we may assume $rm:n > m > 0:$.$ $ Note $rm (f_n,f_m): = (f_n-m,f_m) $ follows from the hypothesis.
Since $rm: (n-m)+m < n+m: , $ induction yields $rm (f_n-m,f_m) = f_(n-m,:m) = f_(n,:m) $
See this post and its links for more on such divisibility sequences.
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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Hint $:$ By Theorem below $rm:(x^a!-1,x^b!-1) = x^(a,b)!-1$ $[ rm: =: x^a!-1!iff! (a,b)=a!iff! amid b,]$
when applied to $rm f_n = x^n!-1 = x^n-m : (x^m!-1) + x^n-m!-1 =: g f_m + f_n-mequiv f_n-mpmodf_m$
Theorem $: $ If $rm:f_n:$ is a sequence in a GCD domain (domain where gcds exist) satisfying $rm f_:0 =: 0: $ and $rm : f_nequiv f_n-m (mod f_m) $ for $rm: n > m $ then $rm: (f_n,f_m) = f_(n,:m) : $ where $rm (i,:j) = gcd(i,:j):$.
Proof $ $ By induction on $rm:n + m:$. The theorem is trivially true if $rm n = m $ or $rm n = 0 $ or $rm: m = 0:$.
So we may assume $rm:n > m > 0:$.$ $ Note $rm (f_n,f_m): = (f_n-m,f_m) $ follows from the hypothesis.
Since $rm: (n-m)+m < n+m: , $ induction yields $rm (f_n-m,f_m) = f_(n-m,:m) = f_(n,:m) $
See this post and its links for more on such divisibility sequences.
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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Apr 8 '12 at 20:05
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Hint $:$ By Theorem below $rm:(x^a!-1,x^b!-1) = x^(a,b)!-1$ $[ rm: =: x^a!-1!iff! (a,b)=a!iff! amid b,]$
when applied to $rm f_n = x^n!-1 = x^n-m : (x^m!-1) + x^n-m!-1 =: g f_m + f_n-mequiv f_n-mpmodf_m$
Theorem $: $ If $rm:f_n:$ is a sequence in a GCD domain (domain where gcds exist) satisfying $rm f_:0 =: 0: $ and $rm : f_nequiv f_n-m (mod f_m) $ for $rm: n > m $ then $rm: (f_n,f_m) = f_(n,:m) : $ where $rm (i,:j) = gcd(i,:j):$.
Proof $ $ By induction on $rm:n + m:$. The theorem is trivially true if $rm n = m $ or $rm n = 0 $ or $rm: m = 0:$.
So we may assume $rm:n > m > 0:$.$ $ Note $rm (f_n,f_m): = (f_n-m,f_m) $ follows from the hypothesis.
Since $rm: (n-m)+m < n+m: , $ induction yields $rm (f_n-m,f_m) = f_(n-m,:m) = f_(n,:m) $
See this post and its links for more on such divisibility sequences.
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Hint $:$ By Theorem below $rm:(x^a!-1,x^b!-1) = x^(a,b)!-1$ $[ rm: =: x^a!-1!iff! (a,b)=a!iff! amid b,]$
when applied to $rm f_n = x^n!-1 = x^n-m : (x^m!-1) + x^n-m!-1 =: g f_m + f_n-mequiv f_n-mpmodf_m$
Theorem $: $ If $rm:f_n:$ is a sequence in a GCD domain (domain where gcds exist) satisfying $rm f_:0 =: 0: $ and $rm : f_nequiv f_n-m (mod f_m) $ for $rm: n > m $ then $rm: (f_n,f_m) = f_(n,:m) : $ where $rm (i,:j) = gcd(i,:j):$.
Proof $ $ By induction on $rm:n + m:$. The theorem is trivially true if $rm n = m $ or $rm n = 0 $ or $rm: m = 0:$.
So we may assume $rm:n > m > 0:$.$ $ Note $rm (f_n,f_m): = (f_n-m,f_m) $ follows from the hypothesis.
Since $rm: (n-m)+m < n+m: , $ induction yields $rm (f_n-m,f_m) = f_(n-m,:m) = f_(n,:m) $
See this post and its links for more on such divisibility sequences.
edited Apr 1 at 13:21
answered Apr 4 '12 at 16:45
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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– spin
Apr 8 '12 at 20:05
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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– spin
Apr 8 '12 at 20:05
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Thanks for the answer, it's always interesting a more general approach
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– spin
Apr 8 '12 at 20:05
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By the division algorithm, you can write $b=qa+r$ with $0 leq r < a$. When you do long division of $x^b - 1$ by $x^a - 1$, you will eventuall encounter the remainder $x^r - 1$, and the process stops. If $x^a - 1$ divides $x^b - 1$, the remainder must be $0$, whence $r=0$.
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Generalization : math.stackexchange.com/questions/7473/…
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– lab bhattacharjee
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