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Cyclic spaces ($Bbbk[x]$-modules) and “faithful” evaluation of polynomial operators.
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
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Let $V$ be a $Bbbk$-linear space and $varphiin mathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)$. A vector $vin V$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ if the following composite of $Bbbk$-algebra morphisms is surjective.
$$Bbbk[x]oversetoperatornameev_varphilongrightarrowmathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)oversetoperatornameev_vlongrightarrowV.$$
If $v$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ then $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$.
Questions.
- What is some geometric intuition for the equality $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$? It says the evaluating polynomials in $varphi$ at $v$ is "faithful", but I don't know what to visualize.
- What is an instructive example where we have equality for some $vin V$ which is not a $varphi$-cyclic generator? (Preferably such that $V$ does not posses any $varphi$-cyclic generators at all.)
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Let $V$ be a $Bbbk$-linear space and $varphiin mathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)$. A vector $vin V$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ if the following composite of $Bbbk$-algebra morphisms is surjective.
$$Bbbk[x]oversetoperatornameev_varphilongrightarrowmathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)oversetoperatornameev_vlongrightarrowV.$$
If $v$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ then $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$.
Questions.
- What is some geometric intuition for the equality $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$? It says the evaluating polynomials in $varphi$ at $v$ is "faithful", but I don't know what to visualize.
- What is an instructive example where we have equality for some $vin V$ which is not a $varphi$-cyclic generator? (Preferably such that $V$ does not posses any $varphi$-cyclic generators at all.)
linear-algebra
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Let $V$ be a $Bbbk$-linear space and $varphiin mathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)$. A vector $vin V$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ if the following composite of $Bbbk$-algebra morphisms is surjective.
$$Bbbk[x]oversetoperatornameev_varphilongrightarrowmathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)oversetoperatornameev_vlongrightarrowV.$$
If $v$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ then $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$.
Questions.
- What is some geometric intuition for the equality $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$? It says the evaluating polynomials in $varphi$ at $v$ is "faithful", but I don't know what to visualize.
- What is an instructive example where we have equality for some $vin V$ which is not a $varphi$-cyclic generator? (Preferably such that $V$ does not posses any $varphi$-cyclic generators at all.)
linear-algebra
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Let $V$ be a $Bbbk$-linear space and $varphiin mathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)$. A vector $vin V$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ if the following composite of $Bbbk$-algebra morphisms is surjective.
$$Bbbk[x]oversetoperatornameev_varphilongrightarrowmathrmEnd_Bbbk(V)oversetoperatornameev_vlongrightarrowV.$$
If $v$ is a $varphi$-cyclic generator of $V$ then $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$.
Questions.
- What is some geometric intuition for the equality $operatornameKer(operatornameev_vcirc operatornameev_varphi)=operatornameKeroperatornameev_varphi$? It says the evaluating polynomials in $varphi$ at $v$ is "faithful", but I don't know what to visualize.
- What is an instructive example where we have equality for some $vin V$ which is not a $varphi$-cyclic generator? (Preferably such that $V$ does not posses any $varphi$-cyclic generators at all.)
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- I don't know if this is really geometric, but let $M$ be the matrix $textev_phi(x)$. Saying that $v$ isa cyclic generator says that you can get to any other vector in the vector space by taking finite linear combinations of the form
$$
a_0 v + a_1Mv + a_2M^2v + ldots + a_nM^nv.
$$The equality of kernels, on the other hand, says that if some polynomial
$$
b_0 + b_1 Mv + b_2M^2v + ldots + b_mM^m v = 0,
$$
then in fact $b_0 + ldots + b_mM^m$ is already the zero matrix.
Let's think of what this means.
If we ignore the special case $v = 0$ (where the equality of kernels holds iff $M=0$), we may as well assume that we've picked a basis and $v$ is the first basis vector $e_1$. Then the annihilator of $v$ is the set of matrices whose first column is all $0$s. The claim is therefore that the only element of this space in the span of the powers of $M$ is the zero matrix itself.
Now for geometry. Let's picture $textEnd(V)$ as a vector space in-and-of-itself, of dimension $n^2$ where $n = textdim V$. We have the annihilator of $v$ on the one-hand, which is $n^2 - n$-dimensional. We also have the space spanned by powers of $M$, which is at most $n$-dimensional by the Cayley-Hamilton theorem.
The equality of kernels says that these spaces, whose dimensions add up to (at most) the dimension of the ambient space, have trivial intersection in $textEnd(V)$, i.e. only intersect at the 0 matrix. This is clearly a necessary condition for them to span $textEnd(V)$, but we can't say it's sufficient because we don't know that the space spanned by powers of $M$ is actually $n$-dimensional. If we also knew that, we'd have a necessary and sufficient condition, i.e. with this additional hypothesis, $v$ is a cyclic vector iff
we have the equality of kernels.
- For an example of where these are different, $textev_phi$ could be the zero map, i.e. the matrix $M_phi$ could be zero. Now there are no $phi$-cyclic generators (assuming the dimension of $V$ is greater than one) but the equality of kernels holds trivially.
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I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
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– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
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@Arrow i added in some geometry.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
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Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
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– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
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@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
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sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
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- I don't know if this is really geometric, but let $M$ be the matrix $textev_phi(x)$. Saying that $v$ isa cyclic generator says that you can get to any other vector in the vector space by taking finite linear combinations of the form
$$
a_0 v + a_1Mv + a_2M^2v + ldots + a_nM^nv.
$$The equality of kernels, on the other hand, says that if some polynomial
$$
b_0 + b_1 Mv + b_2M^2v + ldots + b_mM^m v = 0,
$$
then in fact $b_0 + ldots + b_mM^m$ is already the zero matrix.
Let's think of what this means.
If we ignore the special case $v = 0$ (where the equality of kernels holds iff $M=0$), we may as well assume that we've picked a basis and $v$ is the first basis vector $e_1$. Then the annihilator of $v$ is the set of matrices whose first column is all $0$s. The claim is therefore that the only element of this space in the span of the powers of $M$ is the zero matrix itself.
Now for geometry. Let's picture $textEnd(V)$ as a vector space in-and-of-itself, of dimension $n^2$ where $n = textdim V$. We have the annihilator of $v$ on the one-hand, which is $n^2 - n$-dimensional. We also have the space spanned by powers of $M$, which is at most $n$-dimensional by the Cayley-Hamilton theorem.
The equality of kernels says that these spaces, whose dimensions add up to (at most) the dimension of the ambient space, have trivial intersection in $textEnd(V)$, i.e. only intersect at the 0 matrix. This is clearly a necessary condition for them to span $textEnd(V)$, but we can't say it's sufficient because we don't know that the space spanned by powers of $M$ is actually $n$-dimensional. If we also knew that, we'd have a necessary and sufficient condition, i.e. with this additional hypothesis, $v$ is a cyclic vector iff
we have the equality of kernels.
- For an example of where these are different, $textev_phi$ could be the zero map, i.e. the matrix $M_phi$ could be zero. Now there are no $phi$-cyclic generators (assuming the dimension of $V$ is greater than one) but the equality of kernels holds trivially.
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I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
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– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
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@Arrow i added in some geometry.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
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Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
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– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
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@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
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sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
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– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
- I don't know if this is really geometric, but let $M$ be the matrix $textev_phi(x)$. Saying that $v$ isa cyclic generator says that you can get to any other vector in the vector space by taking finite linear combinations of the form
$$
a_0 v + a_1Mv + a_2M^2v + ldots + a_nM^nv.
$$The equality of kernels, on the other hand, says that if some polynomial
$$
b_0 + b_1 Mv + b_2M^2v + ldots + b_mM^m v = 0,
$$
then in fact $b_0 + ldots + b_mM^m$ is already the zero matrix.
Let's think of what this means.
If we ignore the special case $v = 0$ (where the equality of kernels holds iff $M=0$), we may as well assume that we've picked a basis and $v$ is the first basis vector $e_1$. Then the annihilator of $v$ is the set of matrices whose first column is all $0$s. The claim is therefore that the only element of this space in the span of the powers of $M$ is the zero matrix itself.
Now for geometry. Let's picture $textEnd(V)$ as a vector space in-and-of-itself, of dimension $n^2$ where $n = textdim V$. We have the annihilator of $v$ on the one-hand, which is $n^2 - n$-dimensional. We also have the space spanned by powers of $M$, which is at most $n$-dimensional by the Cayley-Hamilton theorem.
The equality of kernels says that these spaces, whose dimensions add up to (at most) the dimension of the ambient space, have trivial intersection in $textEnd(V)$, i.e. only intersect at the 0 matrix. This is clearly a necessary condition for them to span $textEnd(V)$, but we can't say it's sufficient because we don't know that the space spanned by powers of $M$ is actually $n$-dimensional. If we also knew that, we'd have a necessary and sufficient condition, i.e. with this additional hypothesis, $v$ is a cyclic vector iff
we have the equality of kernels.
- For an example of where these are different, $textev_phi$ could be the zero map, i.e. the matrix $M_phi$ could be zero. Now there are no $phi$-cyclic generators (assuming the dimension of $V$ is greater than one) but the equality of kernels holds trivially.
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I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
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– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
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@Arrow i added in some geometry.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
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Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
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– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
$begingroup$
@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
$begingroup$
sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
- I don't know if this is really geometric, but let $M$ be the matrix $textev_phi(x)$. Saying that $v$ isa cyclic generator says that you can get to any other vector in the vector space by taking finite linear combinations of the form
$$
a_0 v + a_1Mv + a_2M^2v + ldots + a_nM^nv.
$$The equality of kernels, on the other hand, says that if some polynomial
$$
b_0 + b_1 Mv + b_2M^2v + ldots + b_mM^m v = 0,
$$
then in fact $b_0 + ldots + b_mM^m$ is already the zero matrix.
Let's think of what this means.
If we ignore the special case $v = 0$ (where the equality of kernels holds iff $M=0$), we may as well assume that we've picked a basis and $v$ is the first basis vector $e_1$. Then the annihilator of $v$ is the set of matrices whose first column is all $0$s. The claim is therefore that the only element of this space in the span of the powers of $M$ is the zero matrix itself.
Now for geometry. Let's picture $textEnd(V)$ as a vector space in-and-of-itself, of dimension $n^2$ where $n = textdim V$. We have the annihilator of $v$ on the one-hand, which is $n^2 - n$-dimensional. We also have the space spanned by powers of $M$, which is at most $n$-dimensional by the Cayley-Hamilton theorem.
The equality of kernels says that these spaces, whose dimensions add up to (at most) the dimension of the ambient space, have trivial intersection in $textEnd(V)$, i.e. only intersect at the 0 matrix. This is clearly a necessary condition for them to span $textEnd(V)$, but we can't say it's sufficient because we don't know that the space spanned by powers of $M$ is actually $n$-dimensional. If we also knew that, we'd have a necessary and sufficient condition, i.e. with this additional hypothesis, $v$ is a cyclic vector iff
we have the equality of kernels.
- For an example of where these are different, $textev_phi$ could be the zero map, i.e. the matrix $M_phi$ could be zero. Now there are no $phi$-cyclic generators (assuming the dimension of $V$ is greater than one) but the equality of kernels holds trivially.
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- I don't know if this is really geometric, but let $M$ be the matrix $textev_phi(x)$. Saying that $v$ isa cyclic generator says that you can get to any other vector in the vector space by taking finite linear combinations of the form
$$
a_0 v + a_1Mv + a_2M^2v + ldots + a_nM^nv.
$$The equality of kernels, on the other hand, says that if some polynomial
$$
b_0 + b_1 Mv + b_2M^2v + ldots + b_mM^m v = 0,
$$
then in fact $b_0 + ldots + b_mM^m$ is already the zero matrix.
Let's think of what this means.
If we ignore the special case $v = 0$ (where the equality of kernels holds iff $M=0$), we may as well assume that we've picked a basis and $v$ is the first basis vector $e_1$. Then the annihilator of $v$ is the set of matrices whose first column is all $0$s. The claim is therefore that the only element of this space in the span of the powers of $M$ is the zero matrix itself.
Now for geometry. Let's picture $textEnd(V)$ as a vector space in-and-of-itself, of dimension $n^2$ where $n = textdim V$. We have the annihilator of $v$ on the one-hand, which is $n^2 - n$-dimensional. We also have the space spanned by powers of $M$, which is at most $n$-dimensional by the Cayley-Hamilton theorem.
The equality of kernels says that these spaces, whose dimensions add up to (at most) the dimension of the ambient space, have trivial intersection in $textEnd(V)$, i.e. only intersect at the 0 matrix. This is clearly a necessary condition for them to span $textEnd(V)$, but we can't say it's sufficient because we don't know that the space spanned by powers of $M$ is actually $n$-dimensional. If we also knew that, we'd have a necessary and sufficient condition, i.e. with this additional hypothesis, $v$ is a cyclic vector iff
we have the equality of kernels.
- For an example of where these are different, $textev_phi$ could be the zero map, i.e. the matrix $M_phi$ could be zero. Now there are no $phi$-cyclic generators (assuming the dimension of $V$ is greater than one) but the equality of kernels holds trivially.
edited Apr 2 at 16:16
answered Apr 1 at 14:00
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I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
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– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
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@Arrow i added in some geometry.
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– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
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Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
$begingroup$
@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
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sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
|
show 3 more comments
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I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
$begingroup$
@Arrow i added in some geometry.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
$begingroup$
Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
$begingroup$
@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
$begingroup$
sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
$begingroup$
I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
$begingroup$
I would really like to wait for geometric interpretation of the first part before I accept your answer (since what you write in (1) is precisely the definition). Upvoted for now!
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 1 at 14:14
$begingroup$
@Arrow i added in some geometry.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
$begingroup$
@Arrow i added in some geometry.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 1:09
$begingroup$
Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
$begingroup$
Dear hunter, thank you! I thought transversality of subspaces means they jointly span everything, not that they intersect trivially. At least this is the definition in differential geometry. What am I missing?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 9:11
$begingroup$
@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
$begingroup$
@Arrow you are right, sorry. Edited.
$endgroup$
– hunter
Apr 2 at 13:27
$begingroup$
sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
$endgroup$
– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
$begingroup$
sorry to bug you again, but I have another question. I think I read there's a bijection between $varphi$-stable subspaces of $V$ and monic divisors of the minimal polynomial of $varphi$. The correspondence is given by taking $fin Bbbk[x]$ to $ker f(varphi)$ and by taking a stable subspace to the minimal polynomial of the restriction of $varphi$. Why is every stable subspace of this form?
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– Arrow
Apr 2 at 15:04
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StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
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