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How to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers?



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)$18a$ and $25a$ both integers, then so is $a$Show $(2^m-1,2^n+1)=1$ if $m$ is oddThe only algebraic integers in $mathbb Q $ are the ordinary integersA special property of algebraic integers in a subfield of a cyclotomic number fieldThe different of a cyclic extension of an algebraic number field of a prime degreeOn a certain property of the different of an extension of an algebraic number field of a prime relative degreeIf $alpha$ and $beta$ are algebraic integers then the roots of $x^2+alpha x+beta$ are algebraic integersClassifying algebraic integers satisfying a positivity conditionAlgebraic integers of $mathbbQ(sqrtm)$ for $m$ a squarefree integernumber of prime ideals in algebraic integersRing of algebraic integersShow that algebraic integers in $mathbbQ[zeta_3]$ are exactly $mathbbZ[zeta_3]$.










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Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?



Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.



Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.



Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.










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    I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
    Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?



    Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.



    Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.



    Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.










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      I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
      Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?



      Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.



      Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.



      Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.










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      I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
      Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?



      Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.



      Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.



      Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.







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          Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
          $$up+vN=1.$$
          By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
          $$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$






          share|cite|improve this answer











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            $begingroup$
            As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
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            Apr 1 at 13:56











          • $begingroup$
            @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
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            Apr 1 at 14:01










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            @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
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          This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.






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            More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.



            Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.



            Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..



            I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)



            Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.



            The order form used there is as follows.



            Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$






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              Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
              $$up+vN=1.$$
              By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
              $$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$






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                $begingroup$
                As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
                $endgroup$
                – L. Miller
                Apr 1 at 13:56











              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
                $endgroup$
                – Servaes
                Apr 1 at 14:01










              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
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              $begingroup$

              Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
              $$up+vN=1.$$
              By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
              $$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$






              share|cite|improve this answer











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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
                $endgroup$
                – L. Miller
                Apr 1 at 13:56











              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
                $endgroup$
                – Servaes
                Apr 1 at 14:01










              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Apr 1 at 17:50













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              Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
              $$up+vN=1.$$
              By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
              $$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$






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              Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
              $$up+vN=1.$$
              By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
              $$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$







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                $begingroup$
                As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
                $endgroup$
                – L. Miller
                Apr 1 at 13:56











              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
                $endgroup$
                – Servaes
                Apr 1 at 14:01










              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Apr 1 at 17:50












              • 1




                $begingroup$
                As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
                $endgroup$
                – L. Miller
                Apr 1 at 13:56











              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
                $endgroup$
                – Servaes
                Apr 1 at 14:01










              • $begingroup$
                @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Apr 1 at 17:50







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              $begingroup$
              As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
              $endgroup$
              – L. Miller
              Apr 1 at 13:56





              $begingroup$
              As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
              $endgroup$
              – L. Miller
              Apr 1 at 13:56













              $begingroup$
              @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Apr 1 at 14:01




              $begingroup$
              @L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Apr 1 at 14:01












              $begingroup$
              @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Apr 1 at 17:50




              $begingroup$
              @L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Apr 1 at 17:50











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              This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.






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                This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.






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                  This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.






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                  This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.







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                      More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.



                      Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.



                      Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..



                      I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)



                      Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.



                      The order form used there is as follows.



                      Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$






                      share|cite|improve this answer











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                        2












                        $begingroup$

                        More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.



                        Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.



                        Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..



                        I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)



                        Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.



                        The order form used there is as follows.



                        Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$






                        share|cite|improve this answer











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                          2





                          $begingroup$

                          More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.



                          Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.



                          Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..



                          I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)



                          Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.



                          The order form used there is as follows.



                          Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$






                          share|cite|improve this answer











                          $endgroup$



                          More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.



                          Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.



                          Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..



                          I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)



                          Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.



                          The order form used there is as follows.



                          Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$







                          share|cite|improve this answer














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