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Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)$18a$ and $25a$ both integers, then so is $a$Show $(2^m-1,2^n+1)=1$ if $m$ is oddThe only algebraic integers in $mathbb Q $ are the ordinary integersA special property of algebraic integers in a subfield of a cyclotomic number fieldThe different of a cyclic extension of an algebraic number field of a prime degreeOn a certain property of the different of an extension of an algebraic number field of a prime relative degreeIf $alpha$ and $beta$ are algebraic integers then the roots of $x^2+alpha x+beta$ are algebraic integersClassifying algebraic integers satisfying a positivity conditionAlgebraic integers of $mathbbQ(sqrtm)$ for $m$ a squarefree integernumber of prime ideals in algebraic integersRing of algebraic integersShow that algebraic integers in $mathbbQ[zeta_3]$ are exactly $mathbbZ[zeta_3]$.
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I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?
Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.
Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.
Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.
algebraic-number-theory divisibility
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I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?
Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.
Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.
Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.
algebraic-number-theory divisibility
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I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?
Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.
Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.
Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.
algebraic-number-theory divisibility
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I'm trying to eliminate prime factors from algebraic integers.
Is the following true without further restrictions? And how can I prove it?
Let $p,N,Minmathbb Z$, let $p$ be prime such that $gcd(p;N)=1$.
Let $xinmathbb C$ such that $pcdot Mcdot x$ and $Ncdot x$ are algebraic integers.
Then $Mcdot x$ is also an algebraic integer.
algebraic-number-theory divisibility
algebraic-number-theory divisibility
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Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
$$up+vN=1.$$
By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
$$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$
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As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
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– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
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@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
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– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
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@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
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This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.
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More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.
Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.
Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..
I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)
Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.
The order form used there is as follows.
Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$
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Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
$$up+vN=1.$$
By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
$$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$
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1
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As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
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– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
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@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
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– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
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@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
$$up+vN=1.$$
By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
$$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
$endgroup$
– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
$begingroup$
@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
$begingroup$
@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
$$up+vN=1.$$
By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
$$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$
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Because $gcd(p,N)=1$ there exist integers $u,vinBbbZ$ such that
$$up+vN=1.$$
By assumption $pMx$ and $Nx$ are algebraic integers, hence so is
$$ucdot pMx+vMcdot Nx=(up+vN)Mx=Mx.$$
edited Apr 1 at 14:03
answered Apr 1 at 13:51
ServaesServaes
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As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
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– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
$begingroup$
@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
$begingroup$
@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
$endgroup$
– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
$begingroup$
@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
$begingroup$
@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
1
1
$begingroup$
As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
$endgroup$
– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
$begingroup$
As far as I know, your answer is only correct for algebraic numbers, not for algebraic integers with leading coefficient $1$ and coefficients in $mathbb Z$...
$endgroup$
– L. Miller
Apr 1 at 13:56
$begingroup$
@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
$begingroup$
@L.Miller You are absolutely right, I had algebraic numbers in mind somehow. I'll try to answer properly in a bit.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Apr 1 at 14:01
$begingroup$
@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
$begingroup$
@L.Miller Actually these types of arguments hold much more generally - see my answer.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
Apr 1 at 17:50
add a comment |
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This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.
$endgroup$
This is true. Let $ap + bN = 1$, where $a,b in mathbbZ$. $NMx$ is also an algebraic integer, so $a(pM)x + b(NM)x = Mx$ is an algebraic integer.
answered Apr 1 at 14:02
vxnturevxnture
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More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.
Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.
Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..
I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)
Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.
The order form used there is as follows.
Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.
Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.
Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..
I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)
Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.
The order form used there is as follows.
Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.
Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.
Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..
I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)
Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.
The order form used there is as follows.
Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$
$endgroup$
More conceptually: the set $I = nin Bbb Z : n x in Bbb I$ is easily verified to be a (denominator) ideal.
Since $I$ contains $pM,N$ it contains their gcd $,(pM,N) = (M,N),,$ so also its multiple $M$.
Remark $ $ Likely you are familiar with more elementary manifestations such as the well-known fact that if a fraction can be written with denominators $,c,d,$ then it can be written with denominator $,gcd(c,d),,$ or analogous results about orders of elements, e.g. here.. Conceptually it is better to avoid direct Bezout-based proofs and instead think of these results in terms of denominator or order ideals..
I used an exact order analog here, where I mention the fractional form below (with your notation)
Lemma $ $ If a fraction is writable with denominator $,N,$ and also with denominator $,pM,$ where $(N,p)=1$ then the fraction can be written with denominator $,M$.
The order form used there is as follows.
Lemma $, $ If $ (N,p)=1,$ then $, a^large Nequiv 1equiv a^large pM, $ $Rightarrow, a^large Mequiv 1$
edited Apr 1 at 17:49
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Bill DubuqueBill Dubuque
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