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Meagerness on an open subset with the relative topology (Kechris)



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InThe collection of all compact perfect subsets is $G_delta$ in the hyperspace of all compact subsetsA pair of sets disconnecting the complement of a set with empty interiorProof with intersection of closed A set and interior of B setA is a open set $ iff (forall X) (A cap overlineX subset overlineA cap X )$$(0,1]$ is connected in relative topology. Different proofLet $A = frac1n : n in BbbN $, show that $overlineA = A cup 0$About nowhere meager and relative closed sets.A consequence of the Selection Theorem for the Effros Borel space F(X) - self studyProve the equivalent conditions for nowhere dense subset.Baire Property on Baire Spaces (Kechris' book)










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I'm still working on meagerness, and what I post is something that I had achieved yesterday but today I don't remember how I did that.
At pp. $48$, Kechris (Classical Descriptive Set Theory) defines, for a topological space $X$, a meager set $Asubseteq X$ in an open subset $Usubseteq X$ to be a subset s.t. $Acap U$ is meager in $X$.




And he says that it is equivalent to require that $Acap U$ be meager in $U$ w.r.t. the relative topology.




It's clear that meagerness in $X$ implies meagerness in $U$ (essentially by monotonicity of inclusion), but I have some problems to prove the converse.
Indeed, meager in $U$ means that there is $F_n$ s.t. $$emptyset=mathrmInt_U[mathrmCl_U(F_ncap U)]=(overlineF_ncap U)^°cap U,$$
from which I deduce that either $(overlineF_ncap U)^°=emptyset$ or they are disjoint.



Well, if I can prove that disjointness is impossibile, I'm done, but I'm not sure that this holds in general.



Notation: $overline(.)$ is the closure operator on $X$, while $(.)^°$ is the interior operator on $X$.










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    I'm still working on meagerness, and what I post is something that I had achieved yesterday but today I don't remember how I did that.
    At pp. $48$, Kechris (Classical Descriptive Set Theory) defines, for a topological space $X$, a meager set $Asubseteq X$ in an open subset $Usubseteq X$ to be a subset s.t. $Acap U$ is meager in $X$.




    And he says that it is equivalent to require that $Acap U$ be meager in $U$ w.r.t. the relative topology.




    It's clear that meagerness in $X$ implies meagerness in $U$ (essentially by monotonicity of inclusion), but I have some problems to prove the converse.
    Indeed, meager in $U$ means that there is $F_n$ s.t. $$emptyset=mathrmInt_U[mathrmCl_U(F_ncap U)]=(overlineF_ncap U)^°cap U,$$
    from which I deduce that either $(overlineF_ncap U)^°=emptyset$ or they are disjoint.



    Well, if I can prove that disjointness is impossibile, I'm done, but I'm not sure that this holds in general.



    Notation: $overline(.)$ is the closure operator on $X$, while $(.)^°$ is the interior operator on $X$.










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      I'm still working on meagerness, and what I post is something that I had achieved yesterday but today I don't remember how I did that.
      At pp. $48$, Kechris (Classical Descriptive Set Theory) defines, for a topological space $X$, a meager set $Asubseteq X$ in an open subset $Usubseteq X$ to be a subset s.t. $Acap U$ is meager in $X$.




      And he says that it is equivalent to require that $Acap U$ be meager in $U$ w.r.t. the relative topology.




      It's clear that meagerness in $X$ implies meagerness in $U$ (essentially by monotonicity of inclusion), but I have some problems to prove the converse.
      Indeed, meager in $U$ means that there is $F_n$ s.t. $$emptyset=mathrmInt_U[mathrmCl_U(F_ncap U)]=(overlineF_ncap U)^°cap U,$$
      from which I deduce that either $(overlineF_ncap U)^°=emptyset$ or they are disjoint.



      Well, if I can prove that disjointness is impossibile, I'm done, but I'm not sure that this holds in general.



      Notation: $overline(.)$ is the closure operator on $X$, while $(.)^°$ is the interior operator on $X$.










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      I'm still working on meagerness, and what I post is something that I had achieved yesterday but today I don't remember how I did that.
      At pp. $48$, Kechris (Classical Descriptive Set Theory) defines, for a topological space $X$, a meager set $Asubseteq X$ in an open subset $Usubseteq X$ to be a subset s.t. $Acap U$ is meager in $X$.




      And he says that it is equivalent to require that $Acap U$ be meager in $U$ w.r.t. the relative topology.




      It's clear that meagerness in $X$ implies meagerness in $U$ (essentially by monotonicity of inclusion), but I have some problems to prove the converse.
      Indeed, meager in $U$ means that there is $F_n$ s.t. $$emptyset=mathrmInt_U[mathrmCl_U(F_ncap U)]=(overlineF_ncap U)^°cap U,$$
      from which I deduce that either $(overlineF_ncap U)^°=emptyset$ or they are disjoint.



      Well, if I can prove that disjointness is impossibile, I'm done, but I'm not sure that this holds in general.



      Notation: $overline(.)$ is the closure operator on $X$, while $(.)^°$ is the interior operator on $X$.







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          If $E subset U$ and if the closure of $E$ in $U$ has empty interior in $U$ then the closure of $E$ in $X$ has empty interior in $X$. This is because If $V$ is a non-empty open set in $X$ contained in the $X-$ closure of $E$ then $Vcap U$ cannot be empty: $V$ has to intersect $E$ (since any point of $V$ is in the $X-$ closure of $E$, so the neighborhood $V$ of that point has to intersect $E$) and $E subset U$ so $E$ intersects $U$. Thus $V cap U$ is a non-empty open set in $U$ contained in the closure of $E$ in $U$, contradicting the hypothesis. Taking $E=Acap U$ shows that if $Acap U$ is meager in $X$ the it is meager in $U$.






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                If $E subset U$ and if the closure of $E$ in $U$ has empty interior in $U$ then the closure of $E$ in $X$ has empty interior in $X$. This is because If $V$ is a non-empty open set in $X$ contained in the $X-$ closure of $E$ then $Vcap U$ cannot be empty: $V$ has to intersect $E$ (since any point of $V$ is in the $X-$ closure of $E$, so the neighborhood $V$ of that point has to intersect $E$) and $E subset U$ so $E$ intersects $U$. Thus $V cap U$ is a non-empty open set in $U$ contained in the closure of $E$ in $U$, contradicting the hypothesis. Taking $E=Acap U$ shows that if $Acap U$ is meager in $X$ the it is meager in $U$.







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