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On orthonormal basis of scalar products
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowDot product in an orthonormal basisOrthonormal basisSets forming orthonormal basisDoes there exist a unique definition of dot product in $mathbb R^n$ such that the standard basis is orthonormal?Is there any distinction between these products: scalar, dot, inner?Orthonormal basis implies that the inner product equals the coordinate vectors under the basis multipled togetherCompute the angles between the elements of the standard basis with respect to this scalar productFinding an orthonormal basis relative to the dot product $v cdot w$=$x_1y_1+2x_2y_2+3x_3y_3+4x_4y_4$How can we define scalar product so that those three vectors will form orthonormal basis?Finding Orthonormal Basis from Orthogonal Basis
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For x and y in $R^2$ we have: $$(x,y)= x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + kx_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$ where k is a real parameter. Give an example of orthonormal basis for this scalar product.
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I don't understand this question. Aren't orthonormal basis created in a way to give out the canonical product i.e., the dot product by definition? Can some please elaborate on this?
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For x and y in $R^2$ we have: $$(x,y)= x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + kx_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$ where k is a real parameter. Give an example of orthonormal basis for this scalar product.
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I don't understand this question. Aren't orthonormal basis created in a way to give out the canonical product i.e., the dot product by definition? Can some please elaborate on this?
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For x and y in $R^2$ we have: $$(x,y)= x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + kx_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$ where k is a real parameter. Give an example of orthonormal basis for this scalar product.
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I don't understand this question. Aren't orthonormal basis created in a way to give out the canonical product i.e., the dot product by definition? Can some please elaborate on this?
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For x and y in $R^2$ we have: $$(x,y)= x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + kx_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$ where k is a real parameter. Give an example of orthonormal basis for this scalar product.
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I don't understand this question. Aren't orthonormal basis created in a way to give out the canonical product i.e., the dot product by definition? Can some please elaborate on this?
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What you have to do is to come with an orthonormal basis relative to the given inner product, not the usual inner product. You can start with $(1,0)$ and calculate its norm. You will get $|(1,0)|=1$. Then try to find $(x,y)$ such that its inner product with $(1,0)$ is $0$. One such vector is $(x,y)=(1,-frac 1 k)$. Then you have to normalize it so that it becomes a unit vector. You will end up with the orthonormal basis $(1,0), frac 1 c(1,-frac 1 k)$ where $c=sqrt frac 1 k^2-1$. Note the given expression defines an inner product only when $|k|<1$.
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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You have to find $x,y in mathbb R^2$ such that
$(x,x)=(y,y)=1$.
and
- $(x,y)=0.$
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An orthonormal basis is defined with respect to particular inner product. That is, given a vector space $V$ over $mathbb R$, an inner product structure is a map $V times V rightarrow mathbb R$ satisfying certain conditions (bilinearity, symmetry, etc).
In this case, we have $V = mathbb R^2$, and we are given the inner product $$f: V times V rightarrow mathbb R quad f(vec x, vec y) = x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k x_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$
Note that from the inner product, we can define the length/metric as $||vec x|| equiv sqrtf(vec x, vec x)$.
That is, the norm of the vector is the square root of the dot product of a vector with itself.
Now, we are to find two vectors $vec x, vec y in mathbbR^2$ such that:
- $||x|| = 1$
- $ ||y|| = 1$
- $ f(x, y) = 0$
Let's go through the conditions and see what we need.
beginalign*
&||x|| = 1 \
&sqrtf(x, x) = 1 \
&f(x, x) = 1 quad textsquare on both sides\
&x_1x_1 + x_2x_2 + kx_1x_2 + kx_2x_1 = 1 quad textuse $f$ definition\
&x_1^2 + x_2^2 + 2kx_1x_2 = 1 \
endalign*
Similarly, for $||y|| = 1$, we get the condition:
beginalign*
&y_1^2 + y_2^2 + 2ky_1y_2 = 1
endalign*
From the last condition, we get
beginalign*
x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k(x_1y_2 + x_2y_1) = 0
endalign*
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What you have to do is to come with an orthonormal basis relative to the given inner product, not the usual inner product. You can start with $(1,0)$ and calculate its norm. You will get $|(1,0)|=1$. Then try to find $(x,y)$ such that its inner product with $(1,0)$ is $0$. One such vector is $(x,y)=(1,-frac 1 k)$. Then you have to normalize it so that it becomes a unit vector. You will end up with the orthonormal basis $(1,0), frac 1 c(1,-frac 1 k)$ where $c=sqrt frac 1 k^2-1$. Note the given expression defines an inner product only when $|k|<1$.
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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Mar 28 at 10:36
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What you have to do is to come with an orthonormal basis relative to the given inner product, not the usual inner product. You can start with $(1,0)$ and calculate its norm. You will get $|(1,0)|=1$. Then try to find $(x,y)$ such that its inner product with $(1,0)$ is $0$. One such vector is $(x,y)=(1,-frac 1 k)$. Then you have to normalize it so that it becomes a unit vector. You will end up with the orthonormal basis $(1,0), frac 1 c(1,-frac 1 k)$ where $c=sqrt frac 1 k^2-1$. Note the given expression defines an inner product only when $|k|<1$.
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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– Jay
Mar 28 at 10:36
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What you have to do is to come with an orthonormal basis relative to the given inner product, not the usual inner product. You can start with $(1,0)$ and calculate its norm. You will get $|(1,0)|=1$. Then try to find $(x,y)$ such that its inner product with $(1,0)$ is $0$. One such vector is $(x,y)=(1,-frac 1 k)$. Then you have to normalize it so that it becomes a unit vector. You will end up with the orthonormal basis $(1,0), frac 1 c(1,-frac 1 k)$ where $c=sqrt frac 1 k^2-1$. Note the given expression defines an inner product only when $|k|<1$.
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What you have to do is to come with an orthonormal basis relative to the given inner product, not the usual inner product. You can start with $(1,0)$ and calculate its norm. You will get $|(1,0)|=1$. Then try to find $(x,y)$ such that its inner product with $(1,0)$ is $0$. One such vector is $(x,y)=(1,-frac 1 k)$. Then you have to normalize it so that it becomes a unit vector. You will end up with the orthonormal basis $(1,0), frac 1 c(1,-frac 1 k)$ where $c=sqrt frac 1 k^2-1$. Note the given expression defines an inner product only when $|k|<1$.
answered Mar 28 at 10:18
Kavi Rama MurthyKavi Rama Murthy
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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Mar 28 at 10:36
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Can you explain the normalization a bit more? I'm getting $c=sqrt(frac1k^2 -1)$
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Mar 28 at 10:36
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You have to find $x,y in mathbb R^2$ such that
$(x,x)=(y,y)=1$.
and
- $(x,y)=0.$
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You have to find $x,y in mathbb R^2$ such that
$(x,x)=(y,y)=1$.
and
- $(x,y)=0.$
$endgroup$
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$begingroup$
You have to find $x,y in mathbb R^2$ such that
$(x,x)=(y,y)=1$.
and
- $(x,y)=0.$
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You have to find $x,y in mathbb R^2$ such that
$(x,x)=(y,y)=1$.
and
- $(x,y)=0.$
answered Mar 28 at 10:14
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An orthonormal basis is defined with respect to particular inner product. That is, given a vector space $V$ over $mathbb R$, an inner product structure is a map $V times V rightarrow mathbb R$ satisfying certain conditions (bilinearity, symmetry, etc).
In this case, we have $V = mathbb R^2$, and we are given the inner product $$f: V times V rightarrow mathbb R quad f(vec x, vec y) = x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k x_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$
Note that from the inner product, we can define the length/metric as $||vec x|| equiv sqrtf(vec x, vec x)$.
That is, the norm of the vector is the square root of the dot product of a vector with itself.
Now, we are to find two vectors $vec x, vec y in mathbbR^2$ such that:
- $||x|| = 1$
- $ ||y|| = 1$
- $ f(x, y) = 0$
Let's go through the conditions and see what we need.
beginalign*
&||x|| = 1 \
&sqrtf(x, x) = 1 \
&f(x, x) = 1 quad textsquare on both sides\
&x_1x_1 + x_2x_2 + kx_1x_2 + kx_2x_1 = 1 quad textuse $f$ definition\
&x_1^2 + x_2^2 + 2kx_1x_2 = 1 \
endalign*
Similarly, for $||y|| = 1$, we get the condition:
beginalign*
&y_1^2 + y_2^2 + 2ky_1y_2 = 1
endalign*
From the last condition, we get
beginalign*
x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k(x_1y_2 + x_2y_1) = 0
endalign*
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$begingroup$
An orthonormal basis is defined with respect to particular inner product. That is, given a vector space $V$ over $mathbb R$, an inner product structure is a map $V times V rightarrow mathbb R$ satisfying certain conditions (bilinearity, symmetry, etc).
In this case, we have $V = mathbb R^2$, and we are given the inner product $$f: V times V rightarrow mathbb R quad f(vec x, vec y) = x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k x_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$
Note that from the inner product, we can define the length/metric as $||vec x|| equiv sqrtf(vec x, vec x)$.
That is, the norm of the vector is the square root of the dot product of a vector with itself.
Now, we are to find two vectors $vec x, vec y in mathbbR^2$ such that:
- $||x|| = 1$
- $ ||y|| = 1$
- $ f(x, y) = 0$
Let's go through the conditions and see what we need.
beginalign*
&||x|| = 1 \
&sqrtf(x, x) = 1 \
&f(x, x) = 1 quad textsquare on both sides\
&x_1x_1 + x_2x_2 + kx_1x_2 + kx_2x_1 = 1 quad textuse $f$ definition\
&x_1^2 + x_2^2 + 2kx_1x_2 = 1 \
endalign*
Similarly, for $||y|| = 1$, we get the condition:
beginalign*
&y_1^2 + y_2^2 + 2ky_1y_2 = 1
endalign*
From the last condition, we get
beginalign*
x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k(x_1y_2 + x_2y_1) = 0
endalign*
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
An orthonormal basis is defined with respect to particular inner product. That is, given a vector space $V$ over $mathbb R$, an inner product structure is a map $V times V rightarrow mathbb R$ satisfying certain conditions (bilinearity, symmetry, etc).
In this case, we have $V = mathbb R^2$, and we are given the inner product $$f: V times V rightarrow mathbb R quad f(vec x, vec y) = x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k x_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$
Note that from the inner product, we can define the length/metric as $||vec x|| equiv sqrtf(vec x, vec x)$.
That is, the norm of the vector is the square root of the dot product of a vector with itself.
Now, we are to find two vectors $vec x, vec y in mathbbR^2$ such that:
- $||x|| = 1$
- $ ||y|| = 1$
- $ f(x, y) = 0$
Let's go through the conditions and see what we need.
beginalign*
&||x|| = 1 \
&sqrtf(x, x) = 1 \
&f(x, x) = 1 quad textsquare on both sides\
&x_1x_1 + x_2x_2 + kx_1x_2 + kx_2x_1 = 1 quad textuse $f$ definition\
&x_1^2 + x_2^2 + 2kx_1x_2 = 1 \
endalign*
Similarly, for $||y|| = 1$, we get the condition:
beginalign*
&y_1^2 + y_2^2 + 2ky_1y_2 = 1
endalign*
From the last condition, we get
beginalign*
x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k(x_1y_2 + x_2y_1) = 0
endalign*
$endgroup$
An orthonormal basis is defined with respect to particular inner product. That is, given a vector space $V$ over $mathbb R$, an inner product structure is a map $V times V rightarrow mathbb R$ satisfying certain conditions (bilinearity, symmetry, etc).
In this case, we have $V = mathbb R^2$, and we are given the inner product $$f: V times V rightarrow mathbb R quad f(vec x, vec y) = x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k x_1y_2 + kx_2y_1$$
Note that from the inner product, we can define the length/metric as $||vec x|| equiv sqrtf(vec x, vec x)$.
That is, the norm of the vector is the square root of the dot product of a vector with itself.
Now, we are to find two vectors $vec x, vec y in mathbbR^2$ such that:
- $||x|| = 1$
- $ ||y|| = 1$
- $ f(x, y) = 0$
Let's go through the conditions and see what we need.
beginalign*
&||x|| = 1 \
&sqrtf(x, x) = 1 \
&f(x, x) = 1 quad textsquare on both sides\
&x_1x_1 + x_2x_2 + kx_1x_2 + kx_2x_1 = 1 quad textuse $f$ definition\
&x_1^2 + x_2^2 + 2kx_1x_2 = 1 \
endalign*
Similarly, for $||y|| = 1$, we get the condition:
beginalign*
&y_1^2 + y_2^2 + 2ky_1y_2 = 1
endalign*
From the last condition, we get
beginalign*
x_1y_1 + x_2y_2 + k(x_1y_2 + x_2y_1) = 0
endalign*
answered Mar 28 at 10:15
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