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Is the equation conditional or an identity?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowFinding the number of eigenvector(s) of non-zero linear transformation $T$ to $R$Finding all $alpha$ such that the linear system has infinite solutionswhy is a1/a2 = b1/b2 = c1/c2 is said to be dependentUnderdetermined homogeneous system of linear equations has always infinitely many solutionsQuestion regarding arbitrary parametersFinding values for matrix elements that produce one, infinetly or no solutionsFor what value of k does the following system of linear equations have infinitely many solutions?Why does this homogeneous system of equations have infinitely many solutions?What are real-life examples where a linear equation would end up being a Contradiction or Identity?Adding Multiplicative Identity to make an Algebra Unital
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I've heard that identities have infinitely many solutions while conditional equations have only finitely many solutions. But what about the following:
$(-1)^x=1$
This certainly isn't an identity is it? Is the problem with my definitions of conditional and identity?
Thanks!
linear-algebra
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I've heard that identities have infinitely many solutions while conditional equations have only finitely many solutions. But what about the following:
$(-1)^x=1$
This certainly isn't an identity is it? Is the problem with my definitions of conditional and identity?
Thanks!
linear-algebra
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Do you mean $(-1)^x$ or $-(1^x)$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 27 at 18:17
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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– Henning Makholm
Mar 27 at 18:18
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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I've heard that identities have infinitely many solutions while conditional equations have only finitely many solutions. But what about the following:
$(-1)^x=1$
This certainly isn't an identity is it? Is the problem with my definitions of conditional and identity?
Thanks!
linear-algebra
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I've heard that identities have infinitely many solutions while conditional equations have only finitely many solutions. But what about the following:
$(-1)^x=1$
This certainly isn't an identity is it? Is the problem with my definitions of conditional and identity?
Thanks!
linear-algebra
linear-algebra
edited Mar 27 at 18:18
Elem-Teach-w-Bach-n-Math-Ed
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Do you mean $(-1)^x$ or $-(1^x)$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 27 at 18:17
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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– Henning Makholm
Mar 27 at 18:18
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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Do you mean $(-1)^x$ or $-(1^x)$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 27 at 18:17
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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– Henning Makholm
Mar 27 at 18:18
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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– Elem-Teach-w-Bach-n-Math-Ed
Mar 27 at 18:19
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Do you mean $(-1)^x$ or $-(1^x)$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 27 at 18:17
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Do you mean $(-1)^x$ or $-(1^x)$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 27 at 18:17
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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– Henning Makholm
Mar 27 at 18:18
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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– Henning Makholm
Mar 27 at 18:18
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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An identity is an algebraic equality that holds true for any values of the unknowns.
An equation is an algebraic equality that holds true for some values of the unknowns. And those values are the solutions of the equation.
In your example, if $x$ is real, the solutions are all the even numbers.
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The distinction between equation and identity is a bit blurred. Just avoid it and ask yourself
for what values of $x$ is $(-1)^x=1$ true?
Now realize that this is not so well defined: where is $x$ supposed to be chosen from? The integers? In this case the solution set is “the even integers”.
The reals? Oh, well, it's not possible to sensibly define $(-1)^x$ for an arbitrary real $x$. Some admit this is possible when $x=a/b$, for coprime integers $a$ and $b$, with $b$ odd. In this case the solutions are the fractions $a/b$ with $a$ even and $b$ odd.
There is another possibility: that we interpret this in the complex numbers, with the caveat that $(-1)^x$ can take on several values, possibly infinitely many. We might ask
for what complex numbers $x$ does a determination of $(-1)^x$ equal $1$?
How can we compute $(-1)^x$? It is $e^xlog(-1)$, where $log(-1)$ is any determination of the logarithm. Since $-1=e^ipi$, its logarithms have the form $(pi+2kpi)i$, for integer $k$. If $x=u+vi$, with real $u$ and $v$,
$$
x(2k+1)pi i=-(2k+1)pi v+(2k+1)pi u i
$$
and so
$$
e^x(2k+1)pi i=e^-(2k+1)pi ve^(2k+1)pi u i
$$
In order this to equal $1$, we need $v=0$. We also need
$$
(2k+1)pi u=2hpi
$$
for some integer $h$. This yields
$$
x=u+vi=u=frac2h2k+1
$$
which is the same solutions we found above.
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An identity is an algebraic equality that holds true for any values of the unknowns.
An equation is an algebraic equality that holds true for some values of the unknowns. And those values are the solutions of the equation.
In your example, if $x$ is real, the solutions are all the even numbers.
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An identity is an algebraic equality that holds true for any values of the unknowns.
An equation is an algebraic equality that holds true for some values of the unknowns. And those values are the solutions of the equation.
In your example, if $x$ is real, the solutions are all the even numbers.
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An identity is an algebraic equality that holds true for any values of the unknowns.
An equation is an algebraic equality that holds true for some values of the unknowns. And those values are the solutions of the equation.
In your example, if $x$ is real, the solutions are all the even numbers.
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An identity is an algebraic equality that holds true for any values of the unknowns.
An equation is an algebraic equality that holds true for some values of the unknowns. And those values are the solutions of the equation.
In your example, if $x$ is real, the solutions are all the even numbers.
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The distinction between equation and identity is a bit blurred. Just avoid it and ask yourself
for what values of $x$ is $(-1)^x=1$ true?
Now realize that this is not so well defined: where is $x$ supposed to be chosen from? The integers? In this case the solution set is “the even integers”.
The reals? Oh, well, it's not possible to sensibly define $(-1)^x$ for an arbitrary real $x$. Some admit this is possible when $x=a/b$, for coprime integers $a$ and $b$, with $b$ odd. In this case the solutions are the fractions $a/b$ with $a$ even and $b$ odd.
There is another possibility: that we interpret this in the complex numbers, with the caveat that $(-1)^x$ can take on several values, possibly infinitely many. We might ask
for what complex numbers $x$ does a determination of $(-1)^x$ equal $1$?
How can we compute $(-1)^x$? It is $e^xlog(-1)$, where $log(-1)$ is any determination of the logarithm. Since $-1=e^ipi$, its logarithms have the form $(pi+2kpi)i$, for integer $k$. If $x=u+vi$, with real $u$ and $v$,
$$
x(2k+1)pi i=-(2k+1)pi v+(2k+1)pi u i
$$
and so
$$
e^x(2k+1)pi i=e^-(2k+1)pi ve^(2k+1)pi u i
$$
In order this to equal $1$, we need $v=0$. We also need
$$
(2k+1)pi u=2hpi
$$
for some integer $h$. This yields
$$
x=u+vi=u=frac2h2k+1
$$
which is the same solutions we found above.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The distinction between equation and identity is a bit blurred. Just avoid it and ask yourself
for what values of $x$ is $(-1)^x=1$ true?
Now realize that this is not so well defined: where is $x$ supposed to be chosen from? The integers? In this case the solution set is “the even integers”.
The reals? Oh, well, it's not possible to sensibly define $(-1)^x$ for an arbitrary real $x$. Some admit this is possible when $x=a/b$, for coprime integers $a$ and $b$, with $b$ odd. In this case the solutions are the fractions $a/b$ with $a$ even and $b$ odd.
There is another possibility: that we interpret this in the complex numbers, with the caveat that $(-1)^x$ can take on several values, possibly infinitely many. We might ask
for what complex numbers $x$ does a determination of $(-1)^x$ equal $1$?
How can we compute $(-1)^x$? It is $e^xlog(-1)$, where $log(-1)$ is any determination of the logarithm. Since $-1=e^ipi$, its logarithms have the form $(pi+2kpi)i$, for integer $k$. If $x=u+vi$, with real $u$ and $v$,
$$
x(2k+1)pi i=-(2k+1)pi v+(2k+1)pi u i
$$
and so
$$
e^x(2k+1)pi i=e^-(2k+1)pi ve^(2k+1)pi u i
$$
In order this to equal $1$, we need $v=0$. We also need
$$
(2k+1)pi u=2hpi
$$
for some integer $h$. This yields
$$
x=u+vi=u=frac2h2k+1
$$
which is the same solutions we found above.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The distinction between equation and identity is a bit blurred. Just avoid it and ask yourself
for what values of $x$ is $(-1)^x=1$ true?
Now realize that this is not so well defined: where is $x$ supposed to be chosen from? The integers? In this case the solution set is “the even integers”.
The reals? Oh, well, it's not possible to sensibly define $(-1)^x$ for an arbitrary real $x$. Some admit this is possible when $x=a/b$, for coprime integers $a$ and $b$, with $b$ odd. In this case the solutions are the fractions $a/b$ with $a$ even and $b$ odd.
There is another possibility: that we interpret this in the complex numbers, with the caveat that $(-1)^x$ can take on several values, possibly infinitely many. We might ask
for what complex numbers $x$ does a determination of $(-1)^x$ equal $1$?
How can we compute $(-1)^x$? It is $e^xlog(-1)$, where $log(-1)$ is any determination of the logarithm. Since $-1=e^ipi$, its logarithms have the form $(pi+2kpi)i$, for integer $k$. If $x=u+vi$, with real $u$ and $v$,
$$
x(2k+1)pi i=-(2k+1)pi v+(2k+1)pi u i
$$
and so
$$
e^x(2k+1)pi i=e^-(2k+1)pi ve^(2k+1)pi u i
$$
In order this to equal $1$, we need $v=0$. We also need
$$
(2k+1)pi u=2hpi
$$
for some integer $h$. This yields
$$
x=u+vi=u=frac2h2k+1
$$
which is the same solutions we found above.
$endgroup$
The distinction between equation and identity is a bit blurred. Just avoid it and ask yourself
for what values of $x$ is $(-1)^x=1$ true?
Now realize that this is not so well defined: where is $x$ supposed to be chosen from? The integers? In this case the solution set is “the even integers”.
The reals? Oh, well, it's not possible to sensibly define $(-1)^x$ for an arbitrary real $x$. Some admit this is possible when $x=a/b$, for coprime integers $a$ and $b$, with $b$ odd. In this case the solutions are the fractions $a/b$ with $a$ even and $b$ odd.
There is another possibility: that we interpret this in the complex numbers, with the caveat that $(-1)^x$ can take on several values, possibly infinitely many. We might ask
for what complex numbers $x$ does a determination of $(-1)^x$ equal $1$?
How can we compute $(-1)^x$? It is $e^xlog(-1)$, where $log(-1)$ is any determination of the logarithm. Since $-1=e^ipi$, its logarithms have the form $(pi+2kpi)i$, for integer $k$. If $x=u+vi$, with real $u$ and $v$,
$$
x(2k+1)pi i=-(2k+1)pi v+(2k+1)pi u i
$$
and so
$$
e^x(2k+1)pi i=e^-(2k+1)pi ve^(2k+1)pi u i
$$
In order this to equal $1$, we need $v=0$. We also need
$$
(2k+1)pi u=2hpi
$$
for some integer $h$. This yields
$$
x=u+vi=u=frac2h2k+1
$$
which is the same solutions we found above.
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– Michael Biro
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It doesn't really make sense to speak of "solutions" to an identity.
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@MichaelBiro Fixed! Thanks!
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