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The Next CEO of Stack OverflowShow that the span of two vectors is T-invariantBasis of a subspace (What does it mean for vectors to span a subspace?)Number of vectors in a set & span of a setFind $mathrmKer(T)$ and $mathrmIm(T)$ of the following linear transformation with basesDescribe the span of these vectors as the span of as few vectors as possible.The dimension of the intersection of two vector subspacesFinding $T:Vto V$ By The Span Of $ker(T)$ And $operatornameIm(T)$Are the span of these vectors the same?Assume the set u1…u4 is an orthogonal basis for R4. Write v as the sum of two vectors, one in span u1 and the other in span u2, u3, u4Span of vectors with more entries in each vector than the amount of vectors










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On my linear algebra exam, I was required to find the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$, where the linear transformation $mathrmT$ was given. The official answers are $beginbmatrix
0 & 1\
-1 & 0
endbmatrix$

or
$beginbmatrix
0 & -1\
1 & 0
endbmatrix$
.



I wrote my answer as
$
beginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbR
$



I did not get credit for this problem, as the official solutions says we had to write the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$ and not the set $mathrmker(T)$.



I realise my answer is not completely right, as when $mathrma = 0$ the vector no longer spans $mathrmker(T)$. But other than that, is there something else I'm missing?
If I had written $mathrma in mathbbR - 0$, would my answer then be correct?
Also, what is the difference between $mathrmker(T)$ and the "set" $mathrmker(T)$ ?










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  • $begingroup$
    You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
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    What's the linear transformation $T$?
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
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  • $begingroup$
    @egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
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$begingroup$


On my linear algebra exam, I was required to find the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$, where the linear transformation $mathrmT$ was given. The official answers are $beginbmatrix
0 & 1\
-1 & 0
endbmatrix$

or
$beginbmatrix
0 & -1\
1 & 0
endbmatrix$
.



I wrote my answer as
$
beginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbR
$



I did not get credit for this problem, as the official solutions says we had to write the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$ and not the set $mathrmker(T)$.



I realise my answer is not completely right, as when $mathrma = 0$ the vector no longer spans $mathrmker(T)$. But other than that, is there something else I'm missing?
If I had written $mathrma in mathbbR - 0$, would my answer then be correct?
Also, what is the difference between $mathrmker(T)$ and the "set" $mathrmker(T)$ ?










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  • $begingroup$
    You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
    $endgroup$
    – amd
    Mar 27 at 20:18










  • $begingroup$
    What's the linear transformation $T$?
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Mar 27 at 21:42










  • $begingroup$
    @egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
    $endgroup$
    – RootPi
    2 days ago













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$begingroup$


On my linear algebra exam, I was required to find the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$, where the linear transformation $mathrmT$ was given. The official answers are $beginbmatrix
0 & 1\
-1 & 0
endbmatrix$

or
$beginbmatrix
0 & -1\
1 & 0
endbmatrix$
.



I wrote my answer as
$
beginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbR
$



I did not get credit for this problem, as the official solutions says we had to write the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$ and not the set $mathrmker(T)$.



I realise my answer is not completely right, as when $mathrma = 0$ the vector no longer spans $mathrmker(T)$. But other than that, is there something else I'm missing?
If I had written $mathrma in mathbbR - 0$, would my answer then be correct?
Also, what is the difference between $mathrmker(T)$ and the "set" $mathrmker(T)$ ?










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On my linear algebra exam, I was required to find the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$, where the linear transformation $mathrmT$ was given. The official answers are $beginbmatrix
0 & 1\
-1 & 0
endbmatrix$

or
$beginbmatrix
0 & -1\
1 & 0
endbmatrix$
.



I wrote my answer as
$
beginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbR
$



I did not get credit for this problem, as the official solutions says we had to write the vectors which span $mathrmker(T)$ and not the set $mathrmker(T)$.



I realise my answer is not completely right, as when $mathrma = 0$ the vector no longer spans $mathrmker(T)$. But other than that, is there something else I'm missing?
If I had written $mathrma in mathbbR - 0$, would my answer then be correct?
Also, what is the difference between $mathrmker(T)$ and the "set" $mathrmker(T)$ ?







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  • $begingroup$
    You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
    $endgroup$
    – amd
    Mar 27 at 20:18










  • $begingroup$
    What's the linear transformation $T$?
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Mar 27 at 21:42










  • $begingroup$
    @egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
    $endgroup$
    – RootPi
    2 days ago
















  • $begingroup$
    You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
    $endgroup$
    – amd
    Mar 27 at 20:18










  • $begingroup$
    What's the linear transformation $T$?
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Mar 27 at 21:42










  • $begingroup$
    @egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
    $endgroup$
    – RootPi
    2 days ago















$begingroup$
You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
$endgroup$
– amd
Mar 27 at 20:18




$begingroup$
You were asked for some specific vector that generates the space, but that’s not what you gave in your answer. I would’ve given you at least partial credit for that, though.
$endgroup$
– amd
Mar 27 at 20:18












$begingroup$
What's the linear transformation $T$?
$endgroup$
– egreg
Mar 27 at 21:42




$begingroup$
What's the linear transformation $T$?
$endgroup$
– egreg
Mar 27 at 21:42












$begingroup$
@egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
$endgroup$
– RootPi
2 days ago




$begingroup$
@egreg $mathrmT:mathcalM_22 to mathcalM_22$ defined by $mathrmT(A) = A + A^T$ where $mathcalM_22$ is the set of all $mathrm2 times 2$ matrices.
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By definition, the $kerT$ is a set. It is defined as follows:
$$kerT = xin E: Tx = 0$$
where $T:Eto V.$



Your answer would have been correct if you were asked to just state the kernel. You would write something like this:
$$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright$$

However notice that
$$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
0 & a\
-a & 0
endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright = operatornameSpanleft(beginbmatrix
0 & 1\
-1 & 0
endbmatrixright).$$

Here the $operatornameSpan(v) = lambda v:lambda in mathbbK$, where $mathbbK$ is the field over which you have defined your vector space. So when they ask you for the vectors that span the kernel you have to esentially tell them the vectors whose scalar mutiples form the kernel. You could also find a basis for the kernel and that would be just fine too.






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    $begingroup$

    By definition, the $kerT$ is a set. It is defined as follows:
    $$kerT = xin E: Tx = 0$$
    where $T:Eto V.$



    Your answer would have been correct if you were asked to just state the kernel. You would write something like this:
    $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
    0 & a\
    -a & 0
    endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright$$

    However notice that
    $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
    0 & a\
    -a & 0
    endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright = operatornameSpanleft(beginbmatrix
    0 & 1\
    -1 & 0
    endbmatrixright).$$

    Here the $operatornameSpan(v) = lambda v:lambda in mathbbK$, where $mathbbK$ is the field over which you have defined your vector space. So when they ask you for the vectors that span the kernel you have to esentially tell them the vectors whose scalar mutiples form the kernel. You could also find a basis for the kernel and that would be just fine too.






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      By definition, the $kerT$ is a set. It is defined as follows:
      $$kerT = xin E: Tx = 0$$
      where $T:Eto V.$



      Your answer would have been correct if you were asked to just state the kernel. You would write something like this:
      $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
      0 & a\
      -a & 0
      endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright$$

      However notice that
      $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
      0 & a\
      -a & 0
      endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright = operatornameSpanleft(beginbmatrix
      0 & 1\
      -1 & 0
      endbmatrixright).$$

      Here the $operatornameSpan(v) = lambda v:lambda in mathbbK$, where $mathbbK$ is the field over which you have defined your vector space. So when they ask you for the vectors that span the kernel you have to esentially tell them the vectors whose scalar mutiples form the kernel. You could also find a basis for the kernel and that would be just fine too.






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        By definition, the $kerT$ is a set. It is defined as follows:
        $$kerT = xin E: Tx = 0$$
        where $T:Eto V.$



        Your answer would have been correct if you were asked to just state the kernel. You would write something like this:
        $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
        0 & a\
        -a & 0
        endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright$$

        However notice that
        $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
        0 & a\
        -a & 0
        endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright = operatornameSpanleft(beginbmatrix
        0 & 1\
        -1 & 0
        endbmatrixright).$$

        Here the $operatornameSpan(v) = lambda v:lambda in mathbbK$, where $mathbbK$ is the field over which you have defined your vector space. So when they ask you for the vectors that span the kernel you have to esentially tell them the vectors whose scalar mutiples form the kernel. You could also find a basis for the kernel and that would be just fine too.






        share|cite|improve this answer









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        By definition, the $kerT$ is a set. It is defined as follows:
        $$kerT = xin E: Tx = 0$$
        where $T:Eto V.$



        Your answer would have been correct if you were asked to just state the kernel. You would write something like this:
        $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
        0 & a\
        -a & 0
        endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright$$

        However notice that
        $$kerT = leftbeginbmatrix
        0 & a\
        -a & 0
        endbmatrix,ain mathbbKright = operatornameSpanleft(beginbmatrix
        0 & 1\
        -1 & 0
        endbmatrixright).$$

        Here the $operatornameSpan(v) = lambda v:lambda in mathbbK$, where $mathbbK$ is the field over which you have defined your vector space. So when they ask you for the vectors that span the kernel you have to esentially tell them the vectors whose scalar mutiples form the kernel. You could also find a basis for the kernel and that would be just fine too.







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