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What is the value of $alpha$ and $beta$ in a triangle?



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InProof that the angle sum of a triangle is always greater than 180 degrees in elliptic geometryWhat characteristic of the triangle leads the the existence of the orthocenter$sinalpha+sinbeta+singamma>2$ Where $alpha$, $beta$ and $gamma$ are angles from an acute-angled triangle.Show that for triangle ABC, with complex numbers for the coordinates, that we have the following equationProving $cscfracalpha2+cscfracbeta2+cscfracgamma2 ge 6$, where $alpha$, $beta$, $gamma$ are the angles of a trianglePoint in a triangle plane determining any anglesGiven sides and a bisection, find angles in a triangleHow to find triangle height if I know its area and anglesFind angle given two isosceles triangles.Solving for the value of $ angle CEB$ - $frac14$ $angle CBA$ where $E$ is an exterior point of $triangle ABC$










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On triangle $ABC$, with angles $alpha$ over $A$, $beta$ over $B$, and $gamma$ over $C$. Where $gamma$ is $140^circ$.



On $overlineAB$ lies point $D$ (different from $A$ and $B$).



On $overlineAC$ lies point $E$ (different from $A$ and $C$).



$overlineAE$, $overlineED$, $overlineDC$, $overlineCB$ are of same length.



What is the value of α and β?



EDIT: Here's my "solution", however the sum of the angles is greater than $180^circ$.



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    What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
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    I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
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    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:18







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    Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
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    If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
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    It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
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    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 22:08
















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On triangle $ABC$, with angles $alpha$ over $A$, $beta$ over $B$, and $gamma$ over $C$. Where $gamma$ is $140^circ$.



On $overlineAB$ lies point $D$ (different from $A$ and $B$).



On $overlineAC$ lies point $E$ (different from $A$ and $C$).



$overlineAE$, $overlineED$, $overlineDC$, $overlineCB$ are of same length.



What is the value of α and β?



EDIT: Here's my "solution", however the sum of the angles is greater than $180^circ$.



enter image description here










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    What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 30 at 17:16






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    I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:18







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    $begingroup$
    Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
    $endgroup$
    – TonyK
    Mar 30 at 17:38











  • $begingroup$
    If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
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    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 21:59










  • $begingroup$
    It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
    $endgroup$
    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 22:08














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On triangle $ABC$, with angles $alpha$ over $A$, $beta$ over $B$, and $gamma$ over $C$. Where $gamma$ is $140^circ$.



On $overlineAB$ lies point $D$ (different from $A$ and $B$).



On $overlineAC$ lies point $E$ (different from $A$ and $C$).



$overlineAE$, $overlineED$, $overlineDC$, $overlineCB$ are of same length.



What is the value of α and β?



EDIT: Here's my "solution", however the sum of the angles is greater than $180^circ$.



enter image description here










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On triangle $ABC$, with angles $alpha$ over $A$, $beta$ over $B$, and $gamma$ over $C$. Where $gamma$ is $140^circ$.



On $overlineAB$ lies point $D$ (different from $A$ and $B$).



On $overlineAC$ lies point $E$ (different from $A$ and $C$).



$overlineAE$, $overlineED$, $overlineDC$, $overlineCB$ are of same length.



What is the value of α and β?



EDIT: Here's my "solution", however the sum of the angles is greater than $180^circ$.



enter image description here







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    What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 30 at 17:16






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:18







  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
    $endgroup$
    – TonyK
    Mar 30 at 17:38











  • $begingroup$
    If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
    $endgroup$
    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 21:59










  • $begingroup$
    It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
    $endgroup$
    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 22:08













  • 1




    $begingroup$
    What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 30 at 17:16






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:18







  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
    $endgroup$
    – TonyK
    Mar 30 at 17:38











  • $begingroup$
    If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
    $endgroup$
    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 21:59










  • $begingroup$
    It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
    $endgroup$
    – MackTuesday
    Mar 30 at 22:08








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$begingroup$
What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
$endgroup$
– Arthur
Mar 30 at 17:16




$begingroup$
What have you done? Have you, for instance, drawn this thing?
$endgroup$
– Arthur
Mar 30 at 17:16




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I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:18





$begingroup$
I had some solution where α and β were both 40° which was nonsense for me. Will do some drawing for better imagination.
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:18





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Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
$endgroup$
– TonyK
Mar 30 at 17:38





$begingroup$
Your drawing is hopelessly inaccurate. For example, $x$ (which should be $alpha$, by the way) seems to range from $40^circ$ to $110^circ$. Surely you can do better than that?
$endgroup$
– TonyK
Mar 30 at 17:38













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If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
$endgroup$
– MackTuesday
Mar 30 at 21:59




$begingroup$
If $x+y neq 180$, points $A$, $E$, and $C$ are not collinear.
$endgroup$
– MackTuesday
Mar 30 at 21:59












$begingroup$
It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
$endgroup$
– MackTuesday
Mar 30 at 22:08





$begingroup$
It then follows that $AECB$ is a quadrilateral, not a triangle. It turns out $y = 0$. It all stems from the fact that $ED = CD$.
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I drew a simple diagram from which one can deduce that
$$alpha=10^circ$$
$$beta=40^circ-alpha=30^circ$$
by noticing that angle $DEC=2alpha$ and hence angle $DCB=140^circ-2alpha$ giving the value of the angle $DBC=20^circ+alpha$. But as angle $DBC$ is equal to angle $ABC$ we get that
$$40^circ-alpha=20^circ+alphaimplies alpha=10^circ$$






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    Nice.......[+1]
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    @peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
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    Mar 30 at 17:45






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    $ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
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    Thank you. Very nice!
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The problem is that you've assumed that two isosceles triangles with the same legs will have the same basis-angles...





And $$angle ACBnot= angle DCA$$






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    Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
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    No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
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    Exactly @PeterForeman!
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    Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
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I drew a simple diagram from which one can deduce that
$$alpha=10^circ$$
$$beta=40^circ-alpha=30^circ$$
by noticing that angle $DEC=2alpha$ and hence angle $DCB=140^circ-2alpha$ giving the value of the angle $DBC=20^circ+alpha$. But as angle $DBC$ is equal to angle $ABC$ we get that
$$40^circ-alpha=20^circ+alphaimplies alpha=10^circ$$






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    Nice.......[+1]
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    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39










  • $begingroup$
    @peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
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    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:45






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    $ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:53










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    Thank you. Very nice!
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:58















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$begingroup$

I drew a simple diagram from which one can deduce that
$$alpha=10^circ$$
$$beta=40^circ-alpha=30^circ$$
by noticing that angle $DEC=2alpha$ and hence angle $DCB=140^circ-2alpha$ giving the value of the angle $DBC=20^circ+alpha$. But as angle $DBC$ is equal to angle $ABC$ we get that
$$40^circ-alpha=20^circ+alphaimplies alpha=10^circ$$






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$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Nice.......[+1]
    $endgroup$
    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39










  • $begingroup$
    @peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:45






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    $ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:53










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    Thank you. Very nice!
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:58













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$begingroup$

I drew a simple diagram from which one can deduce that
$$alpha=10^circ$$
$$beta=40^circ-alpha=30^circ$$
by noticing that angle $DEC=2alpha$ and hence angle $DCB=140^circ-2alpha$ giving the value of the angle $DBC=20^circ+alpha$. But as angle $DBC$ is equal to angle $ABC$ we get that
$$40^circ-alpha=20^circ+alphaimplies alpha=10^circ$$






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I drew a simple diagram from which one can deduce that
$$alpha=10^circ$$
$$beta=40^circ-alpha=30^circ$$
by noticing that angle $DEC=2alpha$ and hence angle $DCB=140^circ-2alpha$ giving the value of the angle $DBC=20^circ+alpha$. But as angle $DBC$ is equal to angle $ABC$ we get that
$$40^circ-alpha=20^circ+alphaimplies alpha=10^circ$$







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    Nice.......[+1]
    $endgroup$
    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39










  • $begingroup$
    @peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:45






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    $ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:53










  • $begingroup$
    Thank you. Very nice!
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:58
















  • $begingroup$
    Nice.......[+1]
    $endgroup$
    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39










  • $begingroup$
    @peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:45






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    $ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:53










  • $begingroup$
    Thank you. Very nice!
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:58















$begingroup$
Nice.......[+1]
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
Mar 30 at 17:39




$begingroup$
Nice.......[+1]
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
Mar 30 at 17:39












$begingroup$
@peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:45




$begingroup$
@peter-foreman How have you deduced that DEC is 2𝛼?
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:45




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$begingroup$
$ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
$endgroup$
– Peter Foreman
Mar 30 at 17:53




$begingroup$
$ADE=alpha$ due to the isosceles triangle formed. $AED=180^circ-2alpha$ as angles in a triangle add to $180^circ$. $DEC=180^circ-AED=2alpha$ as a straight line contains $180^circ$.
$endgroup$
– Peter Foreman
Mar 30 at 17:53












$begingroup$
Thank you. Very nice!
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:58




$begingroup$
Thank you. Very nice!
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– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:58











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The problem is that you've assumed that two isosceles triangles with the same legs will have the same basis-angles...





And $$angle ACBnot= angle DCA$$






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    Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:35







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    No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
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    – Peter Foreman
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    Exactly @PeterForeman!
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    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39






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    Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
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    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:40















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The problem is that you've assumed that two isosceles triangles with the same legs will have the same basis-angles...





And $$angle ACBnot= angle DCA$$






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$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:35







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    $begingroup$
    No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:38











  • $begingroup$
    Exactly @PeterForeman!
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    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39






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    Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
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    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:40













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The problem is that you've assumed that two isosceles triangles with the same legs will have the same basis-angles...





And $$angle ACBnot= angle DCA$$






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The problem is that you've assumed that two isosceles triangles with the same legs will have the same basis-angles...





And $$angle ACBnot= angle DCA$$







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  • $begingroup$
    Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:35







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Foreman
    Mar 30 at 17:38











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    Exactly @PeterForeman!
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    Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
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    Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
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    No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
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    – Peter Foreman
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    Exactly @PeterForeman!
    $endgroup$
    – Dr. Mathva
    Mar 30 at 17:39






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Parada
    Mar 30 at 17:40















$begingroup$
Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:35





$begingroup$
Not sure if we are on the same page, but I am assuming exacly that. If 2 sides are equal, then 2 angles in triangle are also equal. - "The two angles opposite the legs are equal and are always acute" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_triangle
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:35





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1




$begingroup$
No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
$endgroup$
– Peter Foreman
Mar 30 at 17:38





$begingroup$
No what he means is that all of the triangles in your diagram have different valued base angles - they are not all simply $x$. Just because two side lengths are the same does not imply all angles of a triangle are the same.
$endgroup$
– Peter Foreman
Mar 30 at 17:38













$begingroup$
Exactly @PeterForeman!
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
Mar 30 at 17:39




$begingroup$
Exactly @PeterForeman!
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
Mar 30 at 17:39




1




1




$begingroup$
Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:40




$begingroup$
Ok. Got it. Thanks for the picture.
$endgroup$
– Peter Parada
Mar 30 at 17:40

















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