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rigorous proof that : $E[X] = sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k)$
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHelp understanding proof of the following statement $E(Y) = sum_i = 1^infty P(Y geq k)$Expected value equals sum of probabilitiesEasy way to compute $Pr[sum_i=1^t X_i geq z]$About the definition of mean square convergence.Indicator function and expectationShow that $sum_n=1^inftyX_n<infty$ almost surely if and only if $sum_n=1^inftymathbb E[fracX_n1+X_n]<infty$.consider a sequence $X_j$ of iid random variables where $X_j$ is in $L_1$ for each jProof of expectation of discrete random variableMeaning of indicator function notation of a random variableHelp understanding proof of the following statement $E(Y) = sum_i = 1^infty P(Y geq k)$Convergence of $E(|X|^k)$ and $sum_i=1^inftyi^k-1P(|X| geq i)$
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Let $X$ be a random variable : $mathbbN to mathbbN$. Then if $X$ has an expectation we have :
$$E[X] = sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k)$$
It's quite logical that its true. The problem is that I don't know how to prove this result rigourously just by manipulating sums. For example I can do the following : $sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k) = sum_k in mathbbN sum_i = k^infty mathbbP(X = i)$. It would be nice if I can isolate the $mathbbP(X = i)$ for single $i$, but I don't know how to do this. Maybe I should introduce indicator functions somehow ? and then use Fubini to interchange the summations ?
Thank you !
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Let $X$ be a random variable : $mathbbN to mathbbN$. Then if $X$ has an expectation we have :
$$E[X] = sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k)$$
It's quite logical that its true. The problem is that I don't know how to prove this result rigourously just by manipulating sums. For example I can do the following : $sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k) = sum_k in mathbbN sum_i = k^infty mathbbP(X = i)$. It would be nice if I can isolate the $mathbbP(X = i)$ for single $i$, but I don't know how to do this. Maybe I should introduce indicator functions somehow ? and then use Fubini to interchange the summations ?
Thank you !
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Let $X$ be a random variable : $mathbbN to mathbbN$. Then if $X$ has an expectation we have :
$$E[X] = sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k)$$
It's quite logical that its true. The problem is that I don't know how to prove this result rigourously just by manipulating sums. For example I can do the following : $sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k) = sum_k in mathbbN sum_i = k^infty mathbbP(X = i)$. It would be nice if I can isolate the $mathbbP(X = i)$ for single $i$, but I don't know how to do this. Maybe I should introduce indicator functions somehow ? and then use Fubini to interchange the summations ?
Thank you !
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Let $X$ be a random variable : $mathbbN to mathbbN$. Then if $X$ has an expectation we have :
$$E[X] = sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k)$$
It's quite logical that its true. The problem is that I don't know how to prove this result rigourously just by manipulating sums. For example I can do the following : $sum_k in mathbbN mathbbP(X geq k) = sum_k in mathbbN sum_i = k^infty mathbbP(X = i)$. It would be nice if I can isolate the $mathbbP(X = i)$ for single $i$, but I don't know how to do this. Maybe I should introduce indicator functions somehow ? and then use Fubini to interchange the summations ?
Thank you !
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For non-negative numbers $a_nm$ we always have $sumlimits_n=1^infty sumlimits_m=1^infty a_nm=sumlimits_m=1^infty sumlimits_n=1^infty a_nm$ even without the assumption of convergence. Fubini's Theorem is not required for this. You can just use partial sums and take limits to show that each side is less than or equal to the other. Apply this result with $a_nm=P(X= n)$ for $n geq m$ and $0$ for $n<m$ to get the expression for $EX$.
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The trick with the indicator function works:
- Consider $X_n := Xcdot I_[1,n]$
- $Rightarrow 0leq X_n nearrow X$
- According to monotone convergence theorem we have
$$E(X) = lim_nto infty E(X_n)$$
Now, calculating $E(X_n)$ you get
begineqnarray*E(X_n)
& = & sum_i=1^n i P(X=i) \
& = & sum_i=1^nP(X=i)sum_k=1^i 1 \
& = & sum_k=1^nunderbracesum_i=k^n P(X=i)_=P(Xgeq k) \
& = & sum_k=1^n P(X geq k) \
endeqnarray*
Now, taking the limit gives
$$E(X) = lim_n to inftyE(X_n) =lim_n to inftysum_k=1^n P(X geq k) = sum_k=1^infty P(X geq k)$$
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Here is how you can "discover" the desired result. Begin with
$$P(Xgeq 1)=P(X=1)+P(Xgeq 2)$$
Add $P(Xgeq 2)$ to both sides:
$$P(Xgeq 1)+P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(X=2)+2P(Xgeq 3)$$
in the r.h.s equality the fact that $X$ takes only integer values is used.
Add $P(Xgeq 3)$ to both sides:
$$sum_k=1^3P(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^3kP(X=k)+3P(Xgeq 4)$$
And by induction, you get that for every natural number $n$
$$sum_k=1^nP(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^nkP(X=k)+nP(Xgeq n+1)quad (*)$$
So now your problem is to prove that
$$lim_ntoinftynP(Xgeq n+1)=0$$
But you are given that the expectation $E(X)$ exists, which by definition means that the series
$$sum_k=1^inftykP(X=k)$$
is convergent, which implies that $nP(X=n)$ tends to zero as $ntoinfty$. Since
$$nP(Xgeq n+1)leq nP(Xgeq n)$$
we deduce that $nP(Xgeq n+1)$ tends to zero as well, and letting $ntoinfty$ in (*) gives the desired result.
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For non-negative numbers $a_nm$ we always have $sumlimits_n=1^infty sumlimits_m=1^infty a_nm=sumlimits_m=1^infty sumlimits_n=1^infty a_nm$ even without the assumption of convergence. Fubini's Theorem is not required for this. You can just use partial sums and take limits to show that each side is less than or equal to the other. Apply this result with $a_nm=P(X= n)$ for $n geq m$ and $0$ for $n<m$ to get the expression for $EX$.
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For non-negative numbers $a_nm$ we always have $sumlimits_n=1^infty sumlimits_m=1^infty a_nm=sumlimits_m=1^infty sumlimits_n=1^infty a_nm$ even without the assumption of convergence. Fubini's Theorem is not required for this. You can just use partial sums and take limits to show that each side is less than or equal to the other. Apply this result with $a_nm=P(X= n)$ for $n geq m$ and $0$ for $n<m$ to get the expression for $EX$.
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add a comment |
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For non-negative numbers $a_nm$ we always have $sumlimits_n=1^infty sumlimits_m=1^infty a_nm=sumlimits_m=1^infty sumlimits_n=1^infty a_nm$ even without the assumption of convergence. Fubini's Theorem is not required for this. You can just use partial sums and take limits to show that each side is less than or equal to the other. Apply this result with $a_nm=P(X= n)$ for $n geq m$ and $0$ for $n<m$ to get the expression for $EX$.
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For non-negative numbers $a_nm$ we always have $sumlimits_n=1^infty sumlimits_m=1^infty a_nm=sumlimits_m=1^infty sumlimits_n=1^infty a_nm$ even without the assumption of convergence. Fubini's Theorem is not required for this. You can just use partial sums and take limits to show that each side is less than or equal to the other. Apply this result with $a_nm=P(X= n)$ for $n geq m$ and $0$ for $n<m$ to get the expression for $EX$.
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The trick with the indicator function works:
- Consider $X_n := Xcdot I_[1,n]$
- $Rightarrow 0leq X_n nearrow X$
- According to monotone convergence theorem we have
$$E(X) = lim_nto infty E(X_n)$$
Now, calculating $E(X_n)$ you get
begineqnarray*E(X_n)
& = & sum_i=1^n i P(X=i) \
& = & sum_i=1^nP(X=i)sum_k=1^i 1 \
& = & sum_k=1^nunderbracesum_i=k^n P(X=i)_=P(Xgeq k) \
& = & sum_k=1^n P(X geq k) \
endeqnarray*
Now, taking the limit gives
$$E(X) = lim_n to inftyE(X_n) =lim_n to inftysum_k=1^n P(X geq k) = sum_k=1^infty P(X geq k)$$
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The trick with the indicator function works:
- Consider $X_n := Xcdot I_[1,n]$
- $Rightarrow 0leq X_n nearrow X$
- According to monotone convergence theorem we have
$$E(X) = lim_nto infty E(X_n)$$
Now, calculating $E(X_n)$ you get
begineqnarray*E(X_n)
& = & sum_i=1^n i P(X=i) \
& = & sum_i=1^nP(X=i)sum_k=1^i 1 \
& = & sum_k=1^nunderbracesum_i=k^n P(X=i)_=P(Xgeq k) \
& = & sum_k=1^n P(X geq k) \
endeqnarray*
Now, taking the limit gives
$$E(X) = lim_n to inftyE(X_n) =lim_n to inftysum_k=1^n P(X geq k) = sum_k=1^infty P(X geq k)$$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The trick with the indicator function works:
- Consider $X_n := Xcdot I_[1,n]$
- $Rightarrow 0leq X_n nearrow X$
- According to monotone convergence theorem we have
$$E(X) = lim_nto infty E(X_n)$$
Now, calculating $E(X_n)$ you get
begineqnarray*E(X_n)
& = & sum_i=1^n i P(X=i) \
& = & sum_i=1^nP(X=i)sum_k=1^i 1 \
& = & sum_k=1^nunderbracesum_i=k^n P(X=i)_=P(Xgeq k) \
& = & sum_k=1^n P(X geq k) \
endeqnarray*
Now, taking the limit gives
$$E(X) = lim_n to inftyE(X_n) =lim_n to inftysum_k=1^n P(X geq k) = sum_k=1^infty P(X geq k)$$
$endgroup$
The trick with the indicator function works:
- Consider $X_n := Xcdot I_[1,n]$
- $Rightarrow 0leq X_n nearrow X$
- According to monotone convergence theorem we have
$$E(X) = lim_nto infty E(X_n)$$
Now, calculating $E(X_n)$ you get
begineqnarray*E(X_n)
& = & sum_i=1^n i P(X=i) \
& = & sum_i=1^nP(X=i)sum_k=1^i 1 \
& = & sum_k=1^nunderbracesum_i=k^n P(X=i)_=P(Xgeq k) \
& = & sum_k=1^n P(X geq k) \
endeqnarray*
Now, taking the limit gives
$$E(X) = lim_n to inftyE(X_n) =lim_n to inftysum_k=1^n P(X geq k) = sum_k=1^infty P(X geq k)$$
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Here is how you can "discover" the desired result. Begin with
$$P(Xgeq 1)=P(X=1)+P(Xgeq 2)$$
Add $P(Xgeq 2)$ to both sides:
$$P(Xgeq 1)+P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(X=2)+2P(Xgeq 3)$$
in the r.h.s equality the fact that $X$ takes only integer values is used.
Add $P(Xgeq 3)$ to both sides:
$$sum_k=1^3P(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^3kP(X=k)+3P(Xgeq 4)$$
And by induction, you get that for every natural number $n$
$$sum_k=1^nP(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^nkP(X=k)+nP(Xgeq n+1)quad (*)$$
So now your problem is to prove that
$$lim_ntoinftynP(Xgeq n+1)=0$$
But you are given that the expectation $E(X)$ exists, which by definition means that the series
$$sum_k=1^inftykP(X=k)$$
is convergent, which implies that $nP(X=n)$ tends to zero as $ntoinfty$. Since
$$nP(Xgeq n+1)leq nP(Xgeq n)$$
we deduce that $nP(Xgeq n+1)$ tends to zero as well, and letting $ntoinfty$ in (*) gives the desired result.
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Here is how you can "discover" the desired result. Begin with
$$P(Xgeq 1)=P(X=1)+P(Xgeq 2)$$
Add $P(Xgeq 2)$ to both sides:
$$P(Xgeq 1)+P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(X=2)+2P(Xgeq 3)$$
in the r.h.s equality the fact that $X$ takes only integer values is used.
Add $P(Xgeq 3)$ to both sides:
$$sum_k=1^3P(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^3kP(X=k)+3P(Xgeq 4)$$
And by induction, you get that for every natural number $n$
$$sum_k=1^nP(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^nkP(X=k)+nP(Xgeq n+1)quad (*)$$
So now your problem is to prove that
$$lim_ntoinftynP(Xgeq n+1)=0$$
But you are given that the expectation $E(X)$ exists, which by definition means that the series
$$sum_k=1^inftykP(X=k)$$
is convergent, which implies that $nP(X=n)$ tends to zero as $ntoinfty$. Since
$$nP(Xgeq n+1)leq nP(Xgeq n)$$
we deduce that $nP(Xgeq n+1)$ tends to zero as well, and letting $ntoinfty$ in (*) gives the desired result.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Here is how you can "discover" the desired result. Begin with
$$P(Xgeq 1)=P(X=1)+P(Xgeq 2)$$
Add $P(Xgeq 2)$ to both sides:
$$P(Xgeq 1)+P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(X=2)+2P(Xgeq 3)$$
in the r.h.s equality the fact that $X$ takes only integer values is used.
Add $P(Xgeq 3)$ to both sides:
$$sum_k=1^3P(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^3kP(X=k)+3P(Xgeq 4)$$
And by induction, you get that for every natural number $n$
$$sum_k=1^nP(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^nkP(X=k)+nP(Xgeq n+1)quad (*)$$
So now your problem is to prove that
$$lim_ntoinftynP(Xgeq n+1)=0$$
But you are given that the expectation $E(X)$ exists, which by definition means that the series
$$sum_k=1^inftykP(X=k)$$
is convergent, which implies that $nP(X=n)$ tends to zero as $ntoinfty$. Since
$$nP(Xgeq n+1)leq nP(Xgeq n)$$
we deduce that $nP(Xgeq n+1)$ tends to zero as well, and letting $ntoinfty$ in (*) gives the desired result.
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Here is how you can "discover" the desired result. Begin with
$$P(Xgeq 1)=P(X=1)+P(Xgeq 2)$$
Add $P(Xgeq 2)$ to both sides:
$$P(Xgeq 1)+P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(Xgeq 2)=P(X=1)+2P(X=2)+2P(Xgeq 3)$$
in the r.h.s equality the fact that $X$ takes only integer values is used.
Add $P(Xgeq 3)$ to both sides:
$$sum_k=1^3P(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^3kP(X=k)+3P(Xgeq 4)$$
And by induction, you get that for every natural number $n$
$$sum_k=1^nP(Xgeq k)=sum_k=1^nkP(X=k)+nP(Xgeq n+1)quad (*)$$
So now your problem is to prove that
$$lim_ntoinftynP(Xgeq n+1)=0$$
But you are given that the expectation $E(X)$ exists, which by definition means that the series
$$sum_k=1^inftykP(X=k)$$
is convergent, which implies that $nP(X=n)$ tends to zero as $ntoinfty$. Since
$$nP(Xgeq n+1)leq nP(Xgeq n)$$
we deduce that $nP(Xgeq n+1)$ tends to zero as well, and letting $ntoinfty$ in (*) gives the desired result.
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