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Tangent at the pole for the equation $r = 2(1 - sintheta)$


Tangent Line for Polar Curve R=$3-3sintheta $To prove $(sintheta + csctheta)^2 + (costheta +sectheta)^2 ge 9$Tangent undefined for polar curves ($r^2=a^2sin(stheta)$)?find the equations of the tangents at the pole.Solving $sin(theta) + cos(theta) = -1$ using the T-FormulaVertical tangent line for r = 1 + cos($theta$)Symmetry of $r = sin (2 theta)$ regarding polar axis, pole and line $theta = fracpi2$Why is $intfracsin (3theta + pi )+1415 times fracsin (3theta - pi )+1415,dtheta$ near double the area of $r=1$ with area $pi?$Find the equations of the lines tangent to $r=4sin(3theta)$ at the pole.Identify the symmetries and sketch the curve $r=sin (theta/2)$













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I was asked to find the tangents at the pole for the following equation: $r=2(1-sintheta)$.



I understand that the requirements for tangency at the pole are $f(theta)=0$ and $f'(theta) neq 0$. I set $0=2(1-sinpi)$ and got $theta= fracpi2$. But when I plugged that into the derivative, I got $f'(theta)=0$. Why is that? Am I solving it wrong? (By the way, my $f'$ was $f'(theta)=-2costheta$). Thank You!










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I was asked to find the tangents at the pole for the following equation: $r=2(1-sintheta)$.



I understand that the requirements for tangency at the pole are $f(theta)=0$ and $f'(theta) neq 0$. I set $0=2(1-sinpi)$ and got $theta= fracpi2$. But when I plugged that into the derivative, I got $f'(theta)=0$. Why is that? Am I solving it wrong? (By the way, my $f'$ was $f'(theta)=-2costheta$). Thank You!










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I was asked to find the tangents at the pole for the following equation: $r=2(1-sintheta)$.



I understand that the requirements for tangency at the pole are $f(theta)=0$ and $f'(theta) neq 0$. I set $0=2(1-sinpi)$ and got $theta= fracpi2$. But when I plugged that into the derivative, I got $f'(theta)=0$. Why is that? Am I solving it wrong? (By the way, my $f'$ was $f'(theta)=-2costheta$). Thank You!










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I was asked to find the tangents at the pole for the following equation: $r=2(1-sintheta)$.



I understand that the requirements for tangency at the pole are $f(theta)=0$ and $f'(theta) neq 0$. I set $0=2(1-sinpi)$ and got $theta= fracpi2$. But when I plugged that into the derivative, I got $f'(theta)=0$. Why is that? Am I solving it wrong? (By the way, my $f'$ was $f'(theta)=-2costheta$). Thank You!







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You calculated the derivative incorrectly. The derivative is
$$fracdydx = fracdfracdydthetadfracdxdtheta$$
where
beginalign*
x & = rcostheta\
y & = rsintheta
endalign*

By the product rule,
beginalign*
fracdxdtheta & = r'costheta - rsintheta\
fracdydtheta & = r'sintheta + rcostheta
endalign*

where
$$r' = fracdrdtheta$$
Hence,
$$fracdydx = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta$$
We were given the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$. At the pole, $r = 0$, so we obtain
beginalign*
2(1 - sintheta) & = 0\
1 - sintheta & = 0\
1 & = sintheta\
fracpi2 & = theta
endalign*

Notice that at the pole, since $r = 0$,
beginalign*
fracdydx & = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta\
& = fracr'sinthetar'costheta\
& = tantheta
endalign*

Observe that
beginalign*
lim_theta to fracpi2^- tantheta & = infty\
lim_theta to fracpi2^+ tantheta & = -infty
endalign*

Thus, the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$ has a vertical tangent at the pole, as can be seen from viewing its graph, which is a cardioid.



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    $begingroup$

    You calculated the derivative incorrectly. The derivative is
    $$fracdydx = fracdfracdydthetadfracdxdtheta$$
    where
    beginalign*
    x & = rcostheta\
    y & = rsintheta
    endalign*

    By the product rule,
    beginalign*
    fracdxdtheta & = r'costheta - rsintheta\
    fracdydtheta & = r'sintheta + rcostheta
    endalign*

    where
    $$r' = fracdrdtheta$$
    Hence,
    $$fracdydx = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta$$
    We were given the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$. At the pole, $r = 0$, so we obtain
    beginalign*
    2(1 - sintheta) & = 0\
    1 - sintheta & = 0\
    1 & = sintheta\
    fracpi2 & = theta
    endalign*

    Notice that at the pole, since $r = 0$,
    beginalign*
    fracdydx & = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta\
    & = fracr'sinthetar'costheta\
    & = tantheta
    endalign*

    Observe that
    beginalign*
    lim_theta to fracpi2^- tantheta & = infty\
    lim_theta to fracpi2^+ tantheta & = -infty
    endalign*

    Thus, the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$ has a vertical tangent at the pole, as can be seen from viewing its graph, which is a cardioid.



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      $begingroup$

      You calculated the derivative incorrectly. The derivative is
      $$fracdydx = fracdfracdydthetadfracdxdtheta$$
      where
      beginalign*
      x & = rcostheta\
      y & = rsintheta
      endalign*

      By the product rule,
      beginalign*
      fracdxdtheta & = r'costheta - rsintheta\
      fracdydtheta & = r'sintheta + rcostheta
      endalign*

      where
      $$r' = fracdrdtheta$$
      Hence,
      $$fracdydx = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta$$
      We were given the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$. At the pole, $r = 0$, so we obtain
      beginalign*
      2(1 - sintheta) & = 0\
      1 - sintheta & = 0\
      1 & = sintheta\
      fracpi2 & = theta
      endalign*

      Notice that at the pole, since $r = 0$,
      beginalign*
      fracdydx & = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta\
      & = fracr'sinthetar'costheta\
      & = tantheta
      endalign*

      Observe that
      beginalign*
      lim_theta to fracpi2^- tantheta & = infty\
      lim_theta to fracpi2^+ tantheta & = -infty
      endalign*

      Thus, the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$ has a vertical tangent at the pole, as can be seen from viewing its graph, which is a cardioid.



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        $begingroup$

        You calculated the derivative incorrectly. The derivative is
        $$fracdydx = fracdfracdydthetadfracdxdtheta$$
        where
        beginalign*
        x & = rcostheta\
        y & = rsintheta
        endalign*

        By the product rule,
        beginalign*
        fracdxdtheta & = r'costheta - rsintheta\
        fracdydtheta & = r'sintheta + rcostheta
        endalign*

        where
        $$r' = fracdrdtheta$$
        Hence,
        $$fracdydx = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta$$
        We were given the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$. At the pole, $r = 0$, so we obtain
        beginalign*
        2(1 - sintheta) & = 0\
        1 - sintheta & = 0\
        1 & = sintheta\
        fracpi2 & = theta
        endalign*

        Notice that at the pole, since $r = 0$,
        beginalign*
        fracdydx & = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta\
        & = fracr'sinthetar'costheta\
        & = tantheta
        endalign*

        Observe that
        beginalign*
        lim_theta to fracpi2^- tantheta & = infty\
        lim_theta to fracpi2^+ tantheta & = -infty
        endalign*

        Thus, the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$ has a vertical tangent at the pole, as can be seen from viewing its graph, which is a cardioid.



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        You calculated the derivative incorrectly. The derivative is
        $$fracdydx = fracdfracdydthetadfracdxdtheta$$
        where
        beginalign*
        x & = rcostheta\
        y & = rsintheta
        endalign*

        By the product rule,
        beginalign*
        fracdxdtheta & = r'costheta - rsintheta\
        fracdydtheta & = r'sintheta + rcostheta
        endalign*

        where
        $$r' = fracdrdtheta$$
        Hence,
        $$fracdydx = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta$$
        We were given the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$. At the pole, $r = 0$, so we obtain
        beginalign*
        2(1 - sintheta) & = 0\
        1 - sintheta & = 0\
        1 & = sintheta\
        fracpi2 & = theta
        endalign*

        Notice that at the pole, since $r = 0$,
        beginalign*
        fracdydx & = fracr'sintheta + rcosthetar'costheta - rsintheta\
        & = fracr'sinthetar'costheta\
        & = tantheta
        endalign*

        Observe that
        beginalign*
        lim_theta to fracpi2^- tantheta & = infty\
        lim_theta to fracpi2^+ tantheta & = -infty
        endalign*

        Thus, the function $r(theta) = 2(1 - sintheta)$ has a vertical tangent at the pole, as can be seen from viewing its graph, which is a cardioid.



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