Show that all elements of one sequence are less than all elements of another sequence.Monotonically decreasing sequencesIs the product of two monotone sequences monotone?My proof that sum of convergent sequences converges to sum of limitsIf $(a_n)$ is an increasing sequence, $(b_n)$ is a decreasing sequence, $a_n leq b_n forall n in mathbb N$. Prove $lim a_n leq lim b_n$Sequence defined by max$lefta_n, b_n right$. Proving convergenceLimit of a monotonically increasing sequence and decreasing sequenceunderstanding $0 < f(a_n) to f(x_0)$ implies $f(x_0) ge 0$.Showing that (yet another) sequence is a cauchy sequenceLet $(a_n), (b_n),$ be bounded, then prove that $c_n$ converges and give its value.$sum |a_n|<infty$ and $|sum b_n|<infty$ implies $|sum a_n b_n| <infty$
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Show that all elements of one sequence are less than all elements of another sequence.
Monotonically decreasing sequencesIs the product of two monotone sequences monotone?My proof that sum of convergent sequences converges to sum of limitsIf $(a_n)$ is an increasing sequence, $(b_n)$ is a decreasing sequence, $a_n leq b_n forall n in mathbb N$. Prove $lim a_n leq lim b_n$Sequence defined by max$lefta_n, b_n right$. Proving convergenceLimit of a monotonically increasing sequence and decreasing sequenceunderstanding $0 < f(a_n) to f(x_0)$ implies $f(x_0) ge 0$.Showing that (yet another) sequence is a cauchy sequenceLet $(a_n), (b_n),$ be bounded, then prove that $c_n$ converges and give its value.$sum |a_n|<infty$ and $|sum b_n|<infty$ implies $|sum a_n b_n| <infty$
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Let $a_n_1^infty$ and $b_n_1^infty$ be two sequences in $mathbbR$ such that $forall n in mathbbN$, it is true that $a_n leq b_n, a_n leq a_n+1, text and b_n+1 leq b_n$.
We want to show $forall m,n in mathbbN$ it is true that $a_m leq a_n$ and that there is a number $r in mathbbR$ such that $a_m leq r leq b_n$.
I've proceeding as follows:
We have $a_n leq b_n implies a_n+1 leq b_n+1$ and thus $a_n leq a_n+1 leq b_n+1 leq b_n$.
Does this not imply that $a_m leq a_n$? Even without stating the obvious fact that the sets are upper and lower bounds of each other? It seems then that $r$ would follow..
EDIT: Taking some of the ideas from below I have written a simple proof. Feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Since $a$ is monotonically increasing and $b$ is monotonically decreasing we have $forall m,n in mathbbN, a_n leq a_max(m,n) leq b_max(m,n) leq b_n implies a_m leq b_n$. Take $r = a_max(m,n) text or r = b_max(m,n) implies a_m leq r leq b_n$.
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Let $a_n_1^infty$ and $b_n_1^infty$ be two sequences in $mathbbR$ such that $forall n in mathbbN$, it is true that $a_n leq b_n, a_n leq a_n+1, text and b_n+1 leq b_n$.
We want to show $forall m,n in mathbbN$ it is true that $a_m leq a_n$ and that there is a number $r in mathbbR$ such that $a_m leq r leq b_n$.
I've proceeding as follows:
We have $a_n leq b_n implies a_n+1 leq b_n+1$ and thus $a_n leq a_n+1 leq b_n+1 leq b_n$.
Does this not imply that $a_m leq a_n$? Even without stating the obvious fact that the sets are upper and lower bounds of each other? It seems then that $r$ would follow..
EDIT: Taking some of the ideas from below I have written a simple proof. Feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Since $a$ is monotonically increasing and $b$ is monotonically decreasing we have $forall m,n in mathbbN, a_n leq a_max(m,n) leq b_max(m,n) leq b_n implies a_m leq b_n$. Take $r = a_max(m,n) text or r = b_max(m,n) implies a_m leq r leq b_n$.
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Let $a_n_1^infty$ and $b_n_1^infty$ be two sequences in $mathbbR$ such that $forall n in mathbbN$, it is true that $a_n leq b_n, a_n leq a_n+1, text and b_n+1 leq b_n$.
We want to show $forall m,n in mathbbN$ it is true that $a_m leq a_n$ and that there is a number $r in mathbbR$ such that $a_m leq r leq b_n$.
I've proceeding as follows:
We have $a_n leq b_n implies a_n+1 leq b_n+1$ and thus $a_n leq a_n+1 leq b_n+1 leq b_n$.
Does this not imply that $a_m leq a_n$? Even without stating the obvious fact that the sets are upper and lower bounds of each other? It seems then that $r$ would follow..
EDIT: Taking some of the ideas from below I have written a simple proof. Feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Since $a$ is monotonically increasing and $b$ is monotonically decreasing we have $forall m,n in mathbbN, a_n leq a_max(m,n) leq b_max(m,n) leq b_n implies a_m leq b_n$. Take $r = a_max(m,n) text or r = b_max(m,n) implies a_m leq r leq b_n$.
real-analysis sequences-and-series proof-verification inequality proof-writing
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Let $a_n_1^infty$ and $b_n_1^infty$ be two sequences in $mathbbR$ such that $forall n in mathbbN$, it is true that $a_n leq b_n, a_n leq a_n+1, text and b_n+1 leq b_n$.
We want to show $forall m,n in mathbbN$ it is true that $a_m leq a_n$ and that there is a number $r in mathbbR$ such that $a_m leq r leq b_n$.
I've proceeding as follows:
We have $a_n leq b_n implies a_n+1 leq b_n+1$ and thus $a_n leq a_n+1 leq b_n+1 leq b_n$.
Does this not imply that $a_m leq a_n$? Even without stating the obvious fact that the sets are upper and lower bounds of each other? It seems then that $r$ would follow..
EDIT: Taking some of the ideas from below I have written a simple proof. Feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Since $a$ is monotonically increasing and $b$ is monotonically decreasing we have $forall m,n in mathbbN, a_n leq a_max(m,n) leq b_max(m,n) leq b_n implies a_m leq b_n$. Take $r = a_max(m,n) text or r = b_max(m,n) implies a_m leq r leq b_n$.
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It is clear that $a_n$ is a monotonically increasing sequence bounded above by $b_1$.Hence by Monotone Convergence Theorem $a_nto r$ (say )
Since you have already proved that $a_nleq b_nforall nin mathbb N$ it follows that $rleq b_nforall n$
Hence $a_nleq rleq b_n$
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First we note that $b_1$ is an upper bound for $(a_n)$. Since $(a_n)$ is monotone increasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(a_n)$ converges to its supremum $A$. Similarly, $a_1$ is a lower bound for $(b_n)$. Since $(b_n)$ is monotone decreasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(b_n)$ converges to its infimum $B$.
We claim that $Aleq B$. Suppose not. Then we have $A>B$. Let $varepsilon=fracA-B2$. Since $A$ is the limit of $(a_n)$, there exists $MinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq M$, we have $|a_n-A|<varepsilon$. Similarly, since $B$ is the limit of $(b_n)$, there exists $NinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq N$, we have $|b_n-N|<varepsilon$. Choose $K=maxM,N$. We notice that for all $ngeq K$, we have $a_n>b_n$, which contradicts $a_nleq b_n$ for all $ngeq 1$.
Finally, for all $ngeq 1$, we have $a_n < A leq B < b_n$.
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You are asked to show $a_m le r le b_n$. Notice that the indices must be different, the result you give has the same index (i.e. $ a_n
le r le b_n$). Given $m,n in mathbbN$, we have without loss of generality $mle n$. Then $a_m le a_n le b_n$ by your hypothesis, take $r=a_n$ and you are done.
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It is clear that $a_n$ is a monotonically increasing sequence bounded above by $b_1$.Hence by Monotone Convergence Theorem $a_nto r$ (say )
Since you have already proved that $a_nleq b_nforall nin mathbb N$ it follows that $rleq b_nforall n$
Hence $a_nleq rleq b_n$
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I've taken this idea and applied it in a slightly different way above.
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– Chris
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It is clear that $a_n$ is a monotonically increasing sequence bounded above by $b_1$.Hence by Monotone Convergence Theorem $a_nto r$ (say )
Since you have already proved that $a_nleq b_nforall nin mathbb N$ it follows that $rleq b_nforall n$
Hence $a_nleq rleq b_n$
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I've taken this idea and applied it in a slightly different way above.
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It is clear that $a_n$ is a monotonically increasing sequence bounded above by $b_1$.Hence by Monotone Convergence Theorem $a_nto r$ (say )
Since you have already proved that $a_nleq b_nforall nin mathbb N$ it follows that $rleq b_nforall n$
Hence $a_nleq rleq b_n$
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It is clear that $a_n$ is a monotonically increasing sequence bounded above by $b_1$.Hence by Monotone Convergence Theorem $a_nto r$ (say )
Since you have already proved that $a_nleq b_nforall nin mathbb N$ it follows that $rleq b_nforall n$
Hence $a_nleq rleq b_n$
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First we note that $b_1$ is an upper bound for $(a_n)$. Since $(a_n)$ is monotone increasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(a_n)$ converges to its supremum $A$. Similarly, $a_1$ is a lower bound for $(b_n)$. Since $(b_n)$ is monotone decreasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(b_n)$ converges to its infimum $B$.
We claim that $Aleq B$. Suppose not. Then we have $A>B$. Let $varepsilon=fracA-B2$. Since $A$ is the limit of $(a_n)$, there exists $MinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq M$, we have $|a_n-A|<varepsilon$. Similarly, since $B$ is the limit of $(b_n)$, there exists $NinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq N$, we have $|b_n-N|<varepsilon$. Choose $K=maxM,N$. We notice that for all $ngeq K$, we have $a_n>b_n$, which contradicts $a_nleq b_n$ for all $ngeq 1$.
Finally, for all $ngeq 1$, we have $a_n < A leq B < b_n$.
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First we note that $b_1$ is an upper bound for $(a_n)$. Since $(a_n)$ is monotone increasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(a_n)$ converges to its supremum $A$. Similarly, $a_1$ is a lower bound for $(b_n)$. Since $(b_n)$ is monotone decreasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(b_n)$ converges to its infimum $B$.
We claim that $Aleq B$. Suppose not. Then we have $A>B$. Let $varepsilon=fracA-B2$. Since $A$ is the limit of $(a_n)$, there exists $MinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq M$, we have $|a_n-A|<varepsilon$. Similarly, since $B$ is the limit of $(b_n)$, there exists $NinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq N$, we have $|b_n-N|<varepsilon$. Choose $K=maxM,N$. We notice that for all $ngeq K$, we have $a_n>b_n$, which contradicts $a_nleq b_n$ for all $ngeq 1$.
Finally, for all $ngeq 1$, we have $a_n < A leq B < b_n$.
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First we note that $b_1$ is an upper bound for $(a_n)$. Since $(a_n)$ is monotone increasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(a_n)$ converges to its supremum $A$. Similarly, $a_1$ is a lower bound for $(b_n)$. Since $(b_n)$ is monotone decreasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(b_n)$ converges to its infimum $B$.
We claim that $Aleq B$. Suppose not. Then we have $A>B$. Let $varepsilon=fracA-B2$. Since $A$ is the limit of $(a_n)$, there exists $MinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq M$, we have $|a_n-A|<varepsilon$. Similarly, since $B$ is the limit of $(b_n)$, there exists $NinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq N$, we have $|b_n-N|<varepsilon$. Choose $K=maxM,N$. We notice that for all $ngeq K$, we have $a_n>b_n$, which contradicts $a_nleq b_n$ for all $ngeq 1$.
Finally, for all $ngeq 1$, we have $a_n < A leq B < b_n$.
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First we note that $b_1$ is an upper bound for $(a_n)$. Since $(a_n)$ is monotone increasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(a_n)$ converges to its supremum $A$. Similarly, $a_1$ is a lower bound for $(b_n)$. Since $(b_n)$ is monotone decreasing, the Monotone Convergence Theorem states that $(b_n)$ converges to its infimum $B$.
We claim that $Aleq B$. Suppose not. Then we have $A>B$. Let $varepsilon=fracA-B2$. Since $A$ is the limit of $(a_n)$, there exists $MinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq M$, we have $|a_n-A|<varepsilon$. Similarly, since $B$ is the limit of $(b_n)$, there exists $NinmathbbZ$ such that for all $ngeq N$, we have $|b_n-N|<varepsilon$. Choose $K=maxM,N$. We notice that for all $ngeq K$, we have $a_n>b_n$, which contradicts $a_nleq b_n$ for all $ngeq 1$.
Finally, for all $ngeq 1$, we have $a_n < A leq B < b_n$.
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In my edit above I show something very similar written differently.
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You are asked to show $a_m le r le b_n$. Notice that the indices must be different, the result you give has the same index (i.e. $ a_n
le r le b_n$). Given $m,n in mathbbN$, we have without loss of generality $mle n$. Then $a_m le a_n le b_n$ by your hypothesis, take $r=a_n$ and you are done.
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In my edit above I show something very similar written differently.
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You are asked to show $a_m le r le b_n$. Notice that the indices must be different, the result you give has the same index (i.e. $ a_n
le r le b_n$). Given $m,n in mathbbN$, we have without loss of generality $mle n$. Then $a_m le a_n le b_n$ by your hypothesis, take $r=a_n$ and you are done.
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You are asked to show $a_m le r le b_n$. Notice that the indices must be different, the result you give has the same index (i.e. $ a_n
le r le b_n$). Given $m,n in mathbbN$, we have without loss of generality $mle n$. Then $a_m le a_n le b_n$ by your hypothesis, take $r=a_n$ and you are done.
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In my edit above I show something very similar written differently.
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In my edit above I show something very similar written differently.
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