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Is the image of a “$C^k$ open set” in $mathbbR^n$ under a $C^k$ diffeomorphism also a $C^k$ open set?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowThe local chart of the embedded submanifoldDiffeomorphism of closure of open setsThe image of the map $alpha: [-1,1] to mathbbR^2, t mapsto (t^3,t^2)$ is not a submanifold of $mathbbR^2$Gluing submanifolds along their common boundaryany open set in $mathbbR^n$ is a $n$ dimensional manifoldIs the projection of a smooth submanifold a submanifold?If the graph of $f:ArightarrowmathbbR^m$ where $AsubsetmathbbR^n$ is an analytic submanifold of $mathbbR^n+m$, is the function analytic?Subset of Open submanifold is a submanifold?Is the condition of diffeomorphism really needed?How to solve first order pde with unkown source term
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Let $U$ be an open subset of $mathbbR^n$.
Suppose moreover that $U$ is $C^k$. ($0 leq k leq infty$).
This means that for each $x in partial U$, there exists an $r>0$ and a $C^k$ function defined on $mathbbR^n-1$ so that $B(x,r) cap U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y>f(x)$ and $B(x,r) cap partial U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y=f(x) $. You may "change the order of the coordinates" if needed.
Now, let $h:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ be a $C^k$ diffeomorphism.
Question: Is $h(U)$ also a $C^k$ open set?
Remark: Clearly, $partial U$ is an embedded $C^k$ submanifold of $mathbbR^n$ so that its image $h(partial U)$ is also an embedded $C^k$ submanifold. Please note that this fact does not immediately solve the whole problem.
Any help will be fully appreciated.
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Let $U$ be an open subset of $mathbbR^n$.
Suppose moreover that $U$ is $C^k$. ($0 leq k leq infty$).
This means that for each $x in partial U$, there exists an $r>0$ and a $C^k$ function defined on $mathbbR^n-1$ so that $B(x,r) cap U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y>f(x)$ and $B(x,r) cap partial U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y=f(x) $. You may "change the order of the coordinates" if needed.
Now, let $h:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ be a $C^k$ diffeomorphism.
Question: Is $h(U)$ also a $C^k$ open set?
Remark: Clearly, $partial U$ is an embedded $C^k$ submanifold of $mathbbR^n$ so that its image $h(partial U)$ is also an embedded $C^k$ submanifold. Please note that this fact does not immediately solve the whole problem.
Any help will be fully appreciated.
differential-geometry pde
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
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– J. Doe
2 days ago
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I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
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– Lee Mosher
2 days ago
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Let $U$ be an open subset of $mathbbR^n$.
Suppose moreover that $U$ is $C^k$. ($0 leq k leq infty$).
This means that for each $x in partial U$, there exists an $r>0$ and a $C^k$ function defined on $mathbbR^n-1$ so that $B(x,r) cap U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y>f(x)$ and $B(x,r) cap partial U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y=f(x) $. You may "change the order of the coordinates" if needed.
Now, let $h:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ be a $C^k$ diffeomorphism.
Question: Is $h(U)$ also a $C^k$ open set?
Remark: Clearly, $partial U$ is an embedded $C^k$ submanifold of $mathbbR^n$ so that its image $h(partial U)$ is also an embedded $C^k$ submanifold. Please note that this fact does not immediately solve the whole problem.
Any help will be fully appreciated.
differential-geometry pde
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Let $U$ be an open subset of $mathbbR^n$.
Suppose moreover that $U$ is $C^k$. ($0 leq k leq infty$).
This means that for each $x in partial U$, there exists an $r>0$ and a $C^k$ function defined on $mathbbR^n-1$ so that $B(x,r) cap U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y>f(x)$ and $B(x,r) cap partial U = B(x,r) cap (x,y):y=f(x) $. You may "change the order of the coordinates" if needed.
Now, let $h:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ be a $C^k$ diffeomorphism.
Question: Is $h(U)$ also a $C^k$ open set?
Remark: Clearly, $partial U$ is an embedded $C^k$ submanifold of $mathbbR^n$ so that its image $h(partial U)$ is also an embedded $C^k$ submanifold. Please note that this fact does not immediately solve the whole problem.
Any help will be fully appreciated.
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
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– J. Doe
2 days ago
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I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
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– Lee Mosher
2 days ago
add a comment |
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
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– J. Doe
2 days ago
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I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
$endgroup$
– Lee Mosher
2 days ago
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
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– J. Doe
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
$endgroup$
– J. Doe
2 days ago
$begingroup$
I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
$endgroup$
– Lee Mosher
2 days ago
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I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
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– Lee Mosher
2 days ago
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This is true. The difficulty in proving it seems to be to arrange for the correct ball radius $r$ in the ball $B(x,r)$. However, that difficulty can be sidestepped by rewording the definition of a $C^k$ open set using "open neighborhoods" instead of "open balls".
$U subset mathbb R^n$ is a $C^k$ open set if and only if for each $x in partial U$ there exists an open neighborhood $V subset mathbb R^n$ of $x$ and a $C^k$ function $f$ defined on $mathbb R^n-1$, so that [everything holds as written except with $B(x,r)$ replaced by $V$].
The "open ball" definition clearly implies the "open neighborhood" definition.
Conversely, suppose that the "open neighborhood" definition holds. Then for each $x$ with corresponding open neighborhood $V$, we simply choose $r>0$ so that $B(x,r) subset V$, and now the "open ball" definition holds.
Now, assuming that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set and $h$ is a $C^k$ diffeomorphism, let's prove that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set.
For each $x in partial(h(U))$, consider $h^-1(x) in partial U$. Choose a function $f$ and an open neighborhood $V$ which witness that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set near the point $h^-1(x)$. Then the function $f h^-1$ and the open neighborhood $h(V)$ witnesses that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set near $x$.
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This is true. The difficulty in proving it seems to be to arrange for the correct ball radius $r$ in the ball $B(x,r)$. However, that difficulty can be sidestepped by rewording the definition of a $C^k$ open set using "open neighborhoods" instead of "open balls".
$U subset mathbb R^n$ is a $C^k$ open set if and only if for each $x in partial U$ there exists an open neighborhood $V subset mathbb R^n$ of $x$ and a $C^k$ function $f$ defined on $mathbb R^n-1$, so that [everything holds as written except with $B(x,r)$ replaced by $V$].
The "open ball" definition clearly implies the "open neighborhood" definition.
Conversely, suppose that the "open neighborhood" definition holds. Then for each $x$ with corresponding open neighborhood $V$, we simply choose $r>0$ so that $B(x,r) subset V$, and now the "open ball" definition holds.
Now, assuming that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set and $h$ is a $C^k$ diffeomorphism, let's prove that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set.
For each $x in partial(h(U))$, consider $h^-1(x) in partial U$. Choose a function $f$ and an open neighborhood $V$ which witness that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set near the point $h^-1(x)$. Then the function $f h^-1$ and the open neighborhood $h(V)$ witnesses that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set near $x$.
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This is true. The difficulty in proving it seems to be to arrange for the correct ball radius $r$ in the ball $B(x,r)$. However, that difficulty can be sidestepped by rewording the definition of a $C^k$ open set using "open neighborhoods" instead of "open balls".
$U subset mathbb R^n$ is a $C^k$ open set if and only if for each $x in partial U$ there exists an open neighborhood $V subset mathbb R^n$ of $x$ and a $C^k$ function $f$ defined on $mathbb R^n-1$, so that [everything holds as written except with $B(x,r)$ replaced by $V$].
The "open ball" definition clearly implies the "open neighborhood" definition.
Conversely, suppose that the "open neighborhood" definition holds. Then for each $x$ with corresponding open neighborhood $V$, we simply choose $r>0$ so that $B(x,r) subset V$, and now the "open ball" definition holds.
Now, assuming that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set and $h$ is a $C^k$ diffeomorphism, let's prove that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set.
For each $x in partial(h(U))$, consider $h^-1(x) in partial U$. Choose a function $f$ and an open neighborhood $V$ which witness that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set near the point $h^-1(x)$. Then the function $f h^-1$ and the open neighborhood $h(V)$ witnesses that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set near $x$.
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This is true. The difficulty in proving it seems to be to arrange for the correct ball radius $r$ in the ball $B(x,r)$. However, that difficulty can be sidestepped by rewording the definition of a $C^k$ open set using "open neighborhoods" instead of "open balls".
$U subset mathbb R^n$ is a $C^k$ open set if and only if for each $x in partial U$ there exists an open neighborhood $V subset mathbb R^n$ of $x$ and a $C^k$ function $f$ defined on $mathbb R^n-1$, so that [everything holds as written except with $B(x,r)$ replaced by $V$].
The "open ball" definition clearly implies the "open neighborhood" definition.
Conversely, suppose that the "open neighborhood" definition holds. Then for each $x$ with corresponding open neighborhood $V$, we simply choose $r>0$ so that $B(x,r) subset V$, and now the "open ball" definition holds.
Now, assuming that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set and $h$ is a $C^k$ diffeomorphism, let's prove that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set.
For each $x in partial(h(U))$, consider $h^-1(x) in partial U$. Choose a function $f$ and an open neighborhood $V$ which witness that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set near the point $h^-1(x)$. Then the function $f h^-1$ and the open neighborhood $h(V)$ witnesses that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set near $x$.
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This is true. The difficulty in proving it seems to be to arrange for the correct ball radius $r$ in the ball $B(x,r)$. However, that difficulty can be sidestepped by rewording the definition of a $C^k$ open set using "open neighborhoods" instead of "open balls".
$U subset mathbb R^n$ is a $C^k$ open set if and only if for each $x in partial U$ there exists an open neighborhood $V subset mathbb R^n$ of $x$ and a $C^k$ function $f$ defined on $mathbb R^n-1$, so that [everything holds as written except with $B(x,r)$ replaced by $V$].
The "open ball" definition clearly implies the "open neighborhood" definition.
Conversely, suppose that the "open neighborhood" definition holds. Then for each $x$ with corresponding open neighborhood $V$, we simply choose $r>0$ so that $B(x,r) subset V$, and now the "open ball" definition holds.
Now, assuming that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set and $h$ is a $C^k$ diffeomorphism, let's prove that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set.
For each $x in partial(h(U))$, consider $h^-1(x) in partial U$. Choose a function $f$ and an open neighborhood $V$ which witness that $U$ is a $C^k$ open set near the point $h^-1(x)$. Then the function $f h^-1$ and the open neighborhood $h(V)$ witnesses that $h(U)$ is a $C^k$ open set near $x$.
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So, just for clarification, could you provide an example of a bounded open subset $UsubsetmathbbR^n$ which is not $C^k$ open even though $partial U$ is a $C^k$ hyper surface?
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– Amitai Yuval
2 days ago
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$ neq 2 $ will be such an example.
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– J. Doe
2 days ago
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I have taken the liberty of editing the question to remove the clash of variables: $f$ was used for two entirely different functions. Feel free to revert if you don't like this.
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– Lee Mosher
2 days ago