Show that a set $ mathcalO subseteq mathbb R$ must be equal to $mathbb R$.Prove that $mathcalW(mathbbR)$ is not metrizable.Suppose $B_1 subseteq A$, $B_2 subseteq A$, $sup(B_1)=x_1$ and $sup(B_2)=x_2$. Prove that if $B_1 subseteq B_2$, then $x_1 Rx_2$Let $X$ be a non-empty set, $A subseteq X$. Decide the set $mathcal M(mathcalE)$ of $mathcalE$-$mathcal B(mathbb R)$-measureable functions.How to prove formally that $emptysetin tau$If we want to generate a topology $mathcalT$ on a set $X$, does a basis $mathcalB$ for $mathcalT$ need to contain $X$?Let $X$ be an infinite set and $mathcalB subseteq mathcalT_cof$ be an open base then…Validity of this proof: Prove that $cup mathcalF subseteq cap mathcalG$$x$ is a limit point of a set of real numbers iff every neighborhood contains infinitely many points of the set$mathcalA:= in mathbbN$ is a basisFind a set such that $Ain B$ and $Asubseteq B$
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Show that a set $ mathcalO subseteq mathbb R$ must be equal to $mathbb R$.
Prove that $mathcalW(mathbbR)$ is not metrizable.Suppose $B_1 subseteq A$, $B_2 subseteq A$, $sup(B_1)=x_1$ and $sup(B_2)=x_2$. Prove that if $B_1 subseteq B_2$, then $x_1 Rx_2$Let $X$ be a non-empty set, $A subseteq X$. Decide the set $mathcal M(mathcalE)$ of $mathcalE$-$mathcal B(mathbb R)$-measureable functions.How to prove formally that $emptysetin tau$If we want to generate a topology $mathcalT$ on a set $X$, does a basis $mathcalB$ for $mathcalT$ need to contain $X$?Let $X$ be an infinite set and $mathcalB subseteq mathcalT_cof$ be an open base then…Validity of this proof: Prove that $cup mathcalF subseteq cap mathcalG$$x$ is a limit point of a set of real numbers iff every neighborhood contains infinitely many points of the set$mathcalA:= in mathbbN$ is a basisFind a set such that $Ain B$ and $Asubseteq B$
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I want to find a set $mathcalO$ that satisfies the following definition
:
$$exists varepsilon > 0 : forall x in mathcalO ; textit is ; (x-varepsilon,x + varepsilon ) subseteq mathcalO$$
I think the only set that would work in this case would be the set of all real numbers, but I'm not sure how to go about proving it.
general-topology elementary-set-theory
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I want to find a set $mathcalO$ that satisfies the following definition
:
$$exists varepsilon > 0 : forall x in mathcalO ; textit is ; (x-varepsilon,x + varepsilon ) subseteq mathcalO$$
I think the only set that would work in this case would be the set of all real numbers, but I'm not sure how to go about proving it.
general-topology elementary-set-theory
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You could create a sequence of $xin O$ that is not bounded and such that $x_i-1in (x_i-epsilon,x_i+epsilon)$
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– Gabriele Cassese
Mar 29 at 20:48
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$cal O = emptyset$ satisfies this condition vacuously.
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– Lee Mosher
Mar 29 at 22:04
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I want to find a set $mathcalO$ that satisfies the following definition
:
$$exists varepsilon > 0 : forall x in mathcalO ; textit is ; (x-varepsilon,x + varepsilon ) subseteq mathcalO$$
I think the only set that would work in this case would be the set of all real numbers, but I'm not sure how to go about proving it.
general-topology elementary-set-theory
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I want to find a set $mathcalO$ that satisfies the following definition
:
$$exists varepsilon > 0 : forall x in mathcalO ; textit is ; (x-varepsilon,x + varepsilon ) subseteq mathcalO$$
I think the only set that would work in this case would be the set of all real numbers, but I'm not sure how to go about proving it.
general-topology elementary-set-theory
general-topology elementary-set-theory
edited Mar 29 at 20:54
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DoldrumsDoldrums
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You could create a sequence of $xin O$ that is not bounded and such that $x_i-1in (x_i-epsilon,x_i+epsilon)$
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– Gabriele Cassese
Mar 29 at 20:48
1
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$cal O = emptyset$ satisfies this condition vacuously.
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– Lee Mosher
Mar 29 at 22:04
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You could create a sequence of $xin O$ that is not bounded and such that $x_i-1in (x_i-epsilon,x_i+epsilon)$
$endgroup$
– Gabriele Cassese
Mar 29 at 20:48
1
$begingroup$
$cal O = emptyset$ satisfies this condition vacuously.
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– Lee Mosher
Mar 29 at 22:04
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You could create a sequence of $xin O$ that is not bounded and such that $x_i-1in (x_i-epsilon,x_i+epsilon)$
$endgroup$
– Gabriele Cassese
Mar 29 at 20:48
$begingroup$
You could create a sequence of $xin O$ that is not bounded and such that $x_i-1in (x_i-epsilon,x_i+epsilon)$
$endgroup$
– Gabriele Cassese
Mar 29 at 20:48
1
1
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$cal O = emptyset$ satisfies this condition vacuously.
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– Lee Mosher
Mar 29 at 22:04
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$cal O = emptyset$ satisfies this condition vacuously.
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– Lee Mosher
Mar 29 at 22:04
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The set $mathcalO$ is clearly open (it is the union of the intervals $(x-varepsilon,x+varepsilon)$ for $xin mathcalO$). On the other hand, it is also closed. To see this, let $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $mathcalO$ converging to a real number $x$. Then $|x_n-x|<varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$. But then $x$ belongs to the interval $(x_n-varepsilon,x_n+varepsilon)$, which is contained in $mathcalO$ by hypothesis. Thus $xin mathcalO$.
Conclusion: $mathcalO$ is both open and closed. But the only such subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ itself.
I apologize if topology on $mathbbR$ is out of the scope of the question.
In case you want to understand the above argument, let me provide the necessary definitions.
Here are two definitions for a subset $X$ of $mathbbR$:
$X$ open if it is a union of open intervals.
$X$ is closed if its complement in $mathbbR$ is open.
It's a simple exercise to show that $X$ is closed if and only if it is closed under taking limits: if $(x_n)$ is a sequence in $X$ converging to a point $xin mathbbR$, then $xin X$.
Finally, a set is clopen if it is both closed and open. Trivially, the sets $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ are clopen.
The topology theorem I used above is the following.
Theorem: The only clopen subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$.
This theorem is actually notably difficult to prove, so a lot of details are swept under the rug here.
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If $x notin mathcalO$, then $(x-varepsilon, x+varepsilon)$ is disjoint from $mathcalO$ (for the given $varepsilon$ as in the condition on $mathcalO$): if not, $p in mathcalO$ existed with $|x-p| < varepsilon$, but this in turn implies that $x in (p-varepsilon,p+varepsilon) subseteq mathcalO$ which is a contradiction. Hence $mathcalO$ is closed and as $mathbbR$ is connected, $mathcalO=emptyset$ or $mathcalO=mathbbR$. Both do satisfy the condition...
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If $O not = emptyset$ then
Suppose $O not= mathbbR $, then there exist $y in mathbbR$ such that $y notin O$
Let $x in O$, suppose $x>y$, then there exists $delta = sups>0:(-s + x,x+varepsilon)subset O$
Then $a = -delta + x +fracvarepsilon2 in O $
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon) subset O$
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) subset O$
But $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) = (a-varepsilon,x+varepsilon) = (-delta -fracvarepsilon2 + x, x + varepsilon)$
This contradicts that $delta$ was the supreme
The same if $x<y$
Then $O = mathbbR$
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And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
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– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
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You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
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The set $mathcalO$ is clearly open (it is the union of the intervals $(x-varepsilon,x+varepsilon)$ for $xin mathcalO$). On the other hand, it is also closed. To see this, let $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $mathcalO$ converging to a real number $x$. Then $|x_n-x|<varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$. But then $x$ belongs to the interval $(x_n-varepsilon,x_n+varepsilon)$, which is contained in $mathcalO$ by hypothesis. Thus $xin mathcalO$.
Conclusion: $mathcalO$ is both open and closed. But the only such subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ itself.
I apologize if topology on $mathbbR$ is out of the scope of the question.
In case you want to understand the above argument, let me provide the necessary definitions.
Here are two definitions for a subset $X$ of $mathbbR$:
$X$ open if it is a union of open intervals.
$X$ is closed if its complement in $mathbbR$ is open.
It's a simple exercise to show that $X$ is closed if and only if it is closed under taking limits: if $(x_n)$ is a sequence in $X$ converging to a point $xin mathbbR$, then $xin X$.
Finally, a set is clopen if it is both closed and open. Trivially, the sets $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ are clopen.
The topology theorem I used above is the following.
Theorem: The only clopen subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$.
This theorem is actually notably difficult to prove, so a lot of details are swept under the rug here.
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The set $mathcalO$ is clearly open (it is the union of the intervals $(x-varepsilon,x+varepsilon)$ for $xin mathcalO$). On the other hand, it is also closed. To see this, let $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $mathcalO$ converging to a real number $x$. Then $|x_n-x|<varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$. But then $x$ belongs to the interval $(x_n-varepsilon,x_n+varepsilon)$, which is contained in $mathcalO$ by hypothesis. Thus $xin mathcalO$.
Conclusion: $mathcalO$ is both open and closed. But the only such subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ itself.
I apologize if topology on $mathbbR$ is out of the scope of the question.
In case you want to understand the above argument, let me provide the necessary definitions.
Here are two definitions for a subset $X$ of $mathbbR$:
$X$ open if it is a union of open intervals.
$X$ is closed if its complement in $mathbbR$ is open.
It's a simple exercise to show that $X$ is closed if and only if it is closed under taking limits: if $(x_n)$ is a sequence in $X$ converging to a point $xin mathbbR$, then $xin X$.
Finally, a set is clopen if it is both closed and open. Trivially, the sets $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ are clopen.
The topology theorem I used above is the following.
Theorem: The only clopen subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$.
This theorem is actually notably difficult to prove, so a lot of details are swept under the rug here.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The set $mathcalO$ is clearly open (it is the union of the intervals $(x-varepsilon,x+varepsilon)$ for $xin mathcalO$). On the other hand, it is also closed. To see this, let $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $mathcalO$ converging to a real number $x$. Then $|x_n-x|<varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$. But then $x$ belongs to the interval $(x_n-varepsilon,x_n+varepsilon)$, which is contained in $mathcalO$ by hypothesis. Thus $xin mathcalO$.
Conclusion: $mathcalO$ is both open and closed. But the only such subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ itself.
I apologize if topology on $mathbbR$ is out of the scope of the question.
In case you want to understand the above argument, let me provide the necessary definitions.
Here are two definitions for a subset $X$ of $mathbbR$:
$X$ open if it is a union of open intervals.
$X$ is closed if its complement in $mathbbR$ is open.
It's a simple exercise to show that $X$ is closed if and only if it is closed under taking limits: if $(x_n)$ is a sequence in $X$ converging to a point $xin mathbbR$, then $xin X$.
Finally, a set is clopen if it is both closed and open. Trivially, the sets $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ are clopen.
The topology theorem I used above is the following.
Theorem: The only clopen subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$.
This theorem is actually notably difficult to prove, so a lot of details are swept under the rug here.
$endgroup$
The set $mathcalO$ is clearly open (it is the union of the intervals $(x-varepsilon,x+varepsilon)$ for $xin mathcalO$). On the other hand, it is also closed. To see this, let $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $mathcalO$ converging to a real number $x$. Then $|x_n-x|<varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$. But then $x$ belongs to the interval $(x_n-varepsilon,x_n+varepsilon)$, which is contained in $mathcalO$ by hypothesis. Thus $xin mathcalO$.
Conclusion: $mathcalO$ is both open and closed. But the only such subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ itself.
I apologize if topology on $mathbbR$ is out of the scope of the question.
In case you want to understand the above argument, let me provide the necessary definitions.
Here are two definitions for a subset $X$ of $mathbbR$:
$X$ open if it is a union of open intervals.
$X$ is closed if its complement in $mathbbR$ is open.
It's a simple exercise to show that $X$ is closed if and only if it is closed under taking limits: if $(x_n)$ is a sequence in $X$ converging to a point $xin mathbbR$, then $xin X$.
Finally, a set is clopen if it is both closed and open. Trivially, the sets $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$ are clopen.
The topology theorem I used above is the following.
Theorem: The only clopen subsets of $mathbbR$ are $varnothing$ and $mathbbR$.
This theorem is actually notably difficult to prove, so a lot of details are swept under the rug here.
answered Mar 29 at 21:09
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If $x notin mathcalO$, then $(x-varepsilon, x+varepsilon)$ is disjoint from $mathcalO$ (for the given $varepsilon$ as in the condition on $mathcalO$): if not, $p in mathcalO$ existed with $|x-p| < varepsilon$, but this in turn implies that $x in (p-varepsilon,p+varepsilon) subseteq mathcalO$ which is a contradiction. Hence $mathcalO$ is closed and as $mathbbR$ is connected, $mathcalO=emptyset$ or $mathcalO=mathbbR$. Both do satisfy the condition...
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If $x notin mathcalO$, then $(x-varepsilon, x+varepsilon)$ is disjoint from $mathcalO$ (for the given $varepsilon$ as in the condition on $mathcalO$): if not, $p in mathcalO$ existed with $|x-p| < varepsilon$, but this in turn implies that $x in (p-varepsilon,p+varepsilon) subseteq mathcalO$ which is a contradiction. Hence $mathcalO$ is closed and as $mathbbR$ is connected, $mathcalO=emptyset$ or $mathcalO=mathbbR$. Both do satisfy the condition...
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If $x notin mathcalO$, then $(x-varepsilon, x+varepsilon)$ is disjoint from $mathcalO$ (for the given $varepsilon$ as in the condition on $mathcalO$): if not, $p in mathcalO$ existed with $|x-p| < varepsilon$, but this in turn implies that $x in (p-varepsilon,p+varepsilon) subseteq mathcalO$ which is a contradiction. Hence $mathcalO$ is closed and as $mathbbR$ is connected, $mathcalO=emptyset$ or $mathcalO=mathbbR$. Both do satisfy the condition...
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If $x notin mathcalO$, then $(x-varepsilon, x+varepsilon)$ is disjoint from $mathcalO$ (for the given $varepsilon$ as in the condition on $mathcalO$): if not, $p in mathcalO$ existed with $|x-p| < varepsilon$, but this in turn implies that $x in (p-varepsilon,p+varepsilon) subseteq mathcalO$ which is a contradiction. Hence $mathcalO$ is closed and as $mathbbR$ is connected, $mathcalO=emptyset$ or $mathcalO=mathbbR$. Both do satisfy the condition...
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If $O not = emptyset$ then
Suppose $O not= mathbbR $, then there exist $y in mathbbR$ such that $y notin O$
Let $x in O$, suppose $x>y$, then there exists $delta = sups>0:(-s + x,x+varepsilon)subset O$
Then $a = -delta + x +fracvarepsilon2 in O $
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon) subset O$
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) subset O$
But $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) = (a-varepsilon,x+varepsilon) = (-delta -fracvarepsilon2 + x, x + varepsilon)$
This contradicts that $delta$ was the supreme
The same if $x<y$
Then $O = mathbbR$
$endgroup$
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And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
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You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
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– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If $O not = emptyset$ then
Suppose $O not= mathbbR $, then there exist $y in mathbbR$ such that $y notin O$
Let $x in O$, suppose $x>y$, then there exists $delta = sups>0:(-s + x,x+varepsilon)subset O$
Then $a = -delta + x +fracvarepsilon2 in O $
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon) subset O$
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) subset O$
But $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) = (a-varepsilon,x+varepsilon) = (-delta -fracvarepsilon2 + x, x + varepsilon)$
This contradicts that $delta$ was the supreme
The same if $x<y$
Then $O = mathbbR$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
$begingroup$
You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
$endgroup$
– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If $O not = emptyset$ then
Suppose $O not= mathbbR $, then there exist $y in mathbbR$ such that $y notin O$
Let $x in O$, suppose $x>y$, then there exists $delta = sups>0:(-s + x,x+varepsilon)subset O$
Then $a = -delta + x +fracvarepsilon2 in O $
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon) subset O$
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) subset O$
But $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) = (a-varepsilon,x+varepsilon) = (-delta -fracvarepsilon2 + x, x + varepsilon)$
This contradicts that $delta$ was the supreme
The same if $x<y$
Then $O = mathbbR$
$endgroup$
If $O not = emptyset$ then
Suppose $O not= mathbbR $, then there exist $y in mathbbR$ such that $y notin O$
Let $x in O$, suppose $x>y$, then there exists $delta = sups>0:(-s + x,x+varepsilon)subset O$
Then $a = -delta + x +fracvarepsilon2 in O $
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon) subset O$
Then $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) subset O$
But $(a-varepsilon,a+varepsilon)cup(x-delta,x+varepsilon) = (a-varepsilon,x+varepsilon) = (-delta -fracvarepsilon2 + x, x + varepsilon)$
This contradicts that $delta$ was the supreme
The same if $x<y$
Then $O = mathbbR$
edited Mar 29 at 23:22
answered Mar 29 at 21:08
ZAFZAF
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And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
$begingroup$
You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
$endgroup$
– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
add a comment |
$begingroup$
And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
$begingroup$
You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
$endgroup$
– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
$begingroup$
And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
$begingroup$
And what about $mathcalO = emptyset$?
$endgroup$
– Alex Kruckman
Mar 29 at 23:10
$begingroup$
You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
$endgroup$
– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
$begingroup$
You are right, I overlooked the trivial case...
$endgroup$
– ZAF
Mar 29 at 23:19
add a comment |
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