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Identification between von Neumann algebras and measure spaces



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Correct Formulation of a map between two measurable spacesAbstract Von Neumann AlgebrasIsn't the center of a von Neumann algebra on a separable Hilbert space a hyperfinite von Neumann subalgebra?von Neumann Algebras and measuresNormal positive functional on Von Neumann algebrasnon abelian von Neumann algebrasEquivalent definitions for normal maps between von-Neumann algebrasConcrete examples of von Neumann algebrasvon Neumann algebraClassification of $C^*$ algebras whose subalgebra generated by projections is a von neumann algebravon Neumann sub algebras of $L^infty$










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I could show that if $pi:(X.mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ is a measurable map with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$, then the induced map $tildepi: L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)to L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$ with $tildepi(f)=fcircpi$ is well defined. Moreover, I could show that $|tildepi(f)|_infty le |f|_infty$. The link to the same can be found here. It is clear that $tildepi$ defined above a $*$-homomorphism. Since $tildepileft(L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$is norm closed $*$-subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$, it is also weak$^*$-closed, hence a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$.



I am trying to know if the converse to the above holds:



Suppose that $mathcalA$ is a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$. Then there exists a measurable map $pi:(X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$ such that $mathcalA$ is isomorphic to $L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ as a von Neumann algebra.



I came across the theorem of Mackey which is known as Mackey's point realization which says the following: Let $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ be a standard Borel space and let $mathcalA'subset mathcalM$ be a sub-sigma algebra which is $nu$-complete. Then there exists a standard Borel space $(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ and a measurable map $pi: (X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)=eta$ and $mathcalA'=pi^-1(E): E in mathcalN$



I am trying to use this theorem to establish my claim. First, since $mathcalA$ is an abelian von Neumann algebra, $mathcalA$ is of the form $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. Let $mathcalA'=varphi(chi_E): E in mathcalN'$, where $varphi$ is the weak$^*$ isomorphism between $mathcalA$ and $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. I think that $varphi$ must take characteristic functions to characteristic functions and that $varphi(chi_E)=chi_varphi(E)$. If this is the case, then $mathcalA'$ is a sub-sigma algebra of $mathcalM$. I want to show that $mathcalA'$ is $nu$-complete. Towards that end, let $S subsetvarphi(E)$ such that $nu(varphi(E))=0$. The completeness of $nu$ is not a big deal as I can always complete the sub-sigma algebra by adding the subsets of the measure zero sets but I am not sure if there is any other way of proving this. The only other possibility is that $S=varphi(varphi^-1(S))$ but why should $varphi^-1(S) in mathcalN'$?



Assuming all these, I am a little confused as to what I have shown in all these and how to go forward. A little hint would suffice.



Thanks for the help!!










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    It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
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I could show that if $pi:(X.mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ is a measurable map with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$, then the induced map $tildepi: L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)to L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$ with $tildepi(f)=fcircpi$ is well defined. Moreover, I could show that $|tildepi(f)|_infty le |f|_infty$. The link to the same can be found here. It is clear that $tildepi$ defined above a $*$-homomorphism. Since $tildepileft(L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$is norm closed $*$-subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$, it is also weak$^*$-closed, hence a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$.



I am trying to know if the converse to the above holds:



Suppose that $mathcalA$ is a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$. Then there exists a measurable map $pi:(X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$ such that $mathcalA$ is isomorphic to $L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ as a von Neumann algebra.



I came across the theorem of Mackey which is known as Mackey's point realization which says the following: Let $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ be a standard Borel space and let $mathcalA'subset mathcalM$ be a sub-sigma algebra which is $nu$-complete. Then there exists a standard Borel space $(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ and a measurable map $pi: (X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)=eta$ and $mathcalA'=pi^-1(E): E in mathcalN$



I am trying to use this theorem to establish my claim. First, since $mathcalA$ is an abelian von Neumann algebra, $mathcalA$ is of the form $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. Let $mathcalA'=varphi(chi_E): E in mathcalN'$, where $varphi$ is the weak$^*$ isomorphism between $mathcalA$ and $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. I think that $varphi$ must take characteristic functions to characteristic functions and that $varphi(chi_E)=chi_varphi(E)$. If this is the case, then $mathcalA'$ is a sub-sigma algebra of $mathcalM$. I want to show that $mathcalA'$ is $nu$-complete. Towards that end, let $S subsetvarphi(E)$ such that $nu(varphi(E))=0$. The completeness of $nu$ is not a big deal as I can always complete the sub-sigma algebra by adding the subsets of the measure zero sets but I am not sure if there is any other way of proving this. The only other possibility is that $S=varphi(varphi^-1(S))$ but why should $varphi^-1(S) in mathcalN'$?



Assuming all these, I am a little confused as to what I have shown in all these and how to go forward. A little hint would suffice.



Thanks for the help!!










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  • $begingroup$
    It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
    $endgroup$
    – Nate Eldredge
    Apr 1 at 23:22













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I could show that if $pi:(X.mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ is a measurable map with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$, then the induced map $tildepi: L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)to L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$ with $tildepi(f)=fcircpi$ is well defined. Moreover, I could show that $|tildepi(f)|_infty le |f|_infty$. The link to the same can be found here. It is clear that $tildepi$ defined above a $*$-homomorphism. Since $tildepileft(L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$is norm closed $*$-subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$, it is also weak$^*$-closed, hence a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$.



I am trying to know if the converse to the above holds:



Suppose that $mathcalA$ is a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$. Then there exists a measurable map $pi:(X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$ such that $mathcalA$ is isomorphic to $L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ as a von Neumann algebra.



I came across the theorem of Mackey which is known as Mackey's point realization which says the following: Let $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ be a standard Borel space and let $mathcalA'subset mathcalM$ be a sub-sigma algebra which is $nu$-complete. Then there exists a standard Borel space $(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ and a measurable map $pi: (X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)=eta$ and $mathcalA'=pi^-1(E): E in mathcalN$



I am trying to use this theorem to establish my claim. First, since $mathcalA$ is an abelian von Neumann algebra, $mathcalA$ is of the form $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. Let $mathcalA'=varphi(chi_E): E in mathcalN'$, where $varphi$ is the weak$^*$ isomorphism between $mathcalA$ and $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. I think that $varphi$ must take characteristic functions to characteristic functions and that $varphi(chi_E)=chi_varphi(E)$. If this is the case, then $mathcalA'$ is a sub-sigma algebra of $mathcalM$. I want to show that $mathcalA'$ is $nu$-complete. Towards that end, let $S subsetvarphi(E)$ such that $nu(varphi(E))=0$. The completeness of $nu$ is not a big deal as I can always complete the sub-sigma algebra by adding the subsets of the measure zero sets but I am not sure if there is any other way of proving this. The only other possibility is that $S=varphi(varphi^-1(S))$ but why should $varphi^-1(S) in mathcalN'$?



Assuming all these, I am a little confused as to what I have shown in all these and how to go forward. A little hint would suffice.



Thanks for the help!!










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I could show that if $pi:(X.mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ is a measurable map with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$, then the induced map $tildepi: L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)to L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$ with $tildepi(f)=fcircpi$ is well defined. Moreover, I could show that $|tildepi(f)|_infty le |f|_infty$. The link to the same can be found here. It is clear that $tildepi$ defined above a $*$-homomorphism. Since $tildepileft(L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$is norm closed $*$-subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$, it is also weak$^*$-closed, hence a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$.



I am trying to know if the converse to the above holds:



Suppose that $mathcalA$ is a von Neumann subalgebra of $L^infty(X,mathcalM,nu)$. Then there exists a measurable map $pi:(X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)<<eta$ such that $mathcalA$ is isomorphic to $L^infty(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ as a von Neumann algebra.



I came across the theorem of Mackey which is known as Mackey's point realization which says the following: Let $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ be a standard Borel space and let $mathcalA'subset mathcalM$ be a sub-sigma algebra which is $nu$-complete. Then there exists a standard Borel space $(Y,mathcalN,eta)$ and a measurable map $pi: (X,mathcalM,nu) to (Y,mathcalN,eta)$ with $pi_*(nu)=eta$ and $mathcalA'=pi^-1(E): E in mathcalN$



I am trying to use this theorem to establish my claim. First, since $mathcalA$ is an abelian von Neumann algebra, $mathcalA$ is of the form $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. Let $mathcalA'=varphi(chi_E): E in mathcalN'$, where $varphi$ is the weak$^*$ isomorphism between $mathcalA$ and $L^infty(Z,mathcalN',eta')$. I think that $varphi$ must take characteristic functions to characteristic functions and that $varphi(chi_E)=chi_varphi(E)$. If this is the case, then $mathcalA'$ is a sub-sigma algebra of $mathcalM$. I want to show that $mathcalA'$ is $nu$-complete. Towards that end, let $S subsetvarphi(E)$ such that $nu(varphi(E))=0$. The completeness of $nu$ is not a big deal as I can always complete the sub-sigma algebra by adding the subsets of the measure zero sets but I am not sure if there is any other way of proving this. The only other possibility is that $S=varphi(varphi^-1(S))$ but why should $varphi^-1(S) in mathcalN'$?



Assuming all these, I am a little confused as to what I have shown in all these and how to go forward. A little hint would suffice.



Thanks for the help!!







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    It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
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    – Nate Eldredge
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    It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
    $endgroup$
    – Nate Eldredge
    Apr 1 at 23:22















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It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 1 at 23:22




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It seems that Mackey's theorem could only help if you actually know that $X$ is standard Borel.
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First, a comment on your first paragraph. A norm-closed subset is not necessarily weak$^*$-closed. What happens here is that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous.



As for your question, I think you don't gain anything from already having $mathcal A$ represented as $L^infty$. You already have $mathcal Asubset L^infty(X,mathcal M,nu)$. So you can take $Y$ as the support of $mathcal A$ (i.e., the union of all $E$ such that $1_Einmathcal A$; if $mathcal A$ has the same unit, you'll have $Y=X$). Then take $mathcal N=E: 1_Einmathcal A$; it is not hard to check that this is a $sigma$-algebra, using that $mathcal A$ is a von Neumann algebra. And let $eta=nu|_mathcal N$. You have by definition that all simple functions and their norm limits are in $mathcal A$, so $L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)subsetmathcal A$. And, conversely, because $mathcal N$ has all characteristic functions in $mathcal A$ (i.e., all the projections), then $mathcal Asubset L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)$, as any von Neumann algebra is the norm-closure of its projections.






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    Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
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    Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
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    Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
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    Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
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    I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
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First, a comment on your first paragraph. A norm-closed subset is not necessarily weak$^*$-closed. What happens here is that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous.



As for your question, I think you don't gain anything from already having $mathcal A$ represented as $L^infty$. You already have $mathcal Asubset L^infty(X,mathcal M,nu)$. So you can take $Y$ as the support of $mathcal A$ (i.e., the union of all $E$ such that $1_Einmathcal A$; if $mathcal A$ has the same unit, you'll have $Y=X$). Then take $mathcal N=E: 1_Einmathcal A$; it is not hard to check that this is a $sigma$-algebra, using that $mathcal A$ is a von Neumann algebra. And let $eta=nu|_mathcal N$. You have by definition that all simple functions and their norm limits are in $mathcal A$, so $L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)subsetmathcal A$. And, conversely, because $mathcal N$ has all characteristic functions in $mathcal A$ (i.e., all the projections), then $mathcal Asubset L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)$, as any von Neumann algebra is the norm-closure of its projections.






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    Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
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    Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
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    – tattwamasi amrutam
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    Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 1 at 20:16







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    Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
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    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 13:43






  • 1




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    I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 20:43















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First, a comment on your first paragraph. A norm-closed subset is not necessarily weak$^*$-closed. What happens here is that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous.



As for your question, I think you don't gain anything from already having $mathcal A$ represented as $L^infty$. You already have $mathcal Asubset L^infty(X,mathcal M,nu)$. So you can take $Y$ as the support of $mathcal A$ (i.e., the union of all $E$ such that $1_Einmathcal A$; if $mathcal A$ has the same unit, you'll have $Y=X$). Then take $mathcal N=E: 1_Einmathcal A$; it is not hard to check that this is a $sigma$-algebra, using that $mathcal A$ is a von Neumann algebra. And let $eta=nu|_mathcal N$. You have by definition that all simple functions and their norm limits are in $mathcal A$, so $L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)subsetmathcal A$. And, conversely, because $mathcal N$ has all characteristic functions in $mathcal A$ (i.e., all the projections), then $mathcal Asubset L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)$, as any von Neumann algebra is the norm-closure of its projections.






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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
    $endgroup$
    – tattwamasi amrutam
    Apr 1 at 15:33











  • $begingroup$
    Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
    $endgroup$
    – tattwamasi amrutam
    Apr 1 at 15:59






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 1 at 20:16







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 13:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 20:43













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$begingroup$

First, a comment on your first paragraph. A norm-closed subset is not necessarily weak$^*$-closed. What happens here is that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous.



As for your question, I think you don't gain anything from already having $mathcal A$ represented as $L^infty$. You already have $mathcal Asubset L^infty(X,mathcal M,nu)$. So you can take $Y$ as the support of $mathcal A$ (i.e., the union of all $E$ such that $1_Einmathcal A$; if $mathcal A$ has the same unit, you'll have $Y=X$). Then take $mathcal N=E: 1_Einmathcal A$; it is not hard to check that this is a $sigma$-algebra, using that $mathcal A$ is a von Neumann algebra. And let $eta=nu|_mathcal N$. You have by definition that all simple functions and their norm limits are in $mathcal A$, so $L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)subsetmathcal A$. And, conversely, because $mathcal N$ has all characteristic functions in $mathcal A$ (i.e., all the projections), then $mathcal Asubset L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)$, as any von Neumann algebra is the norm-closure of its projections.






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First, a comment on your first paragraph. A norm-closed subset is not necessarily weak$^*$-closed. What happens here is that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous.



As for your question, I think you don't gain anything from already having $mathcal A$ represented as $L^infty$. You already have $mathcal Asubset L^infty(X,mathcal M,nu)$. So you can take $Y$ as the support of $mathcal A$ (i.e., the union of all $E$ such that $1_Einmathcal A$; if $mathcal A$ has the same unit, you'll have $Y=X$). Then take $mathcal N=E: 1_Einmathcal A$; it is not hard to check that this is a $sigma$-algebra, using that $mathcal A$ is a von Neumann algebra. And let $eta=nu|_mathcal N$. You have by definition that all simple functions and their norm limits are in $mathcal A$, so $L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)subsetmathcal A$. And, conversely, because $mathcal N$ has all characteristic functions in $mathcal A$ (i.e., all the projections), then $mathcal Asubset L^infty(Y,mathcal N,eta)$, as any von Neumann algebra is the norm-closure of its projections.







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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
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    – tattwamasi amrutam
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    Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
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    – tattwamasi amrutam
    Apr 1 at 15:59






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    $begingroup$
    Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 1 at 20:16







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    $begingroup$
    Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
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    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 13:43






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    $begingroup$
    I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 20:43
















  • $begingroup$
    Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
    $endgroup$
    – tattwamasi amrutam
    Apr 1 at 15:33











  • $begingroup$
    Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
    $endgroup$
    – tattwamasi amrutam
    Apr 1 at 15:59






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 1 at 20:16







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 13:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Apr 2 at 20:43















$begingroup$
Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
$endgroup$
– tattwamasi amrutam
Apr 1 at 15:33





$begingroup$
Thank you!! I have a couple of questions: First, something like this won't be true if the assumption of $(X,mathcalM,nu)$ being standard Borel is removed? Second, to show that $tildepi$ is weak$^*$-continuous, we use the fact that $L^1(X,mathcalM,mu)^*=L^infty(X,mathcalM,mu)$, we show that $tildepi$ is of the form $T^*$ for some $T in Bleft(L^1(X,mathcalM,nu),L^1(Y,mathcalN,eta)right)$?
$endgroup$
– tattwamasi amrutam
Apr 1 at 15:33













$begingroup$
Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
$endgroup$
– tattwamasi amrutam
Apr 1 at 15:59




$begingroup$
Also for $mathcalN$, do we need $E$ to be chosen from $mathcalM$? Else, how does $eta$ make sense, unless $mathcalN$ is a sub-$sigma$ algebra of $mathcalM$?
$endgroup$
– tattwamasi amrutam
Apr 1 at 15:59




1




1




$begingroup$
Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 1 at 20:16





$begingroup$
Standard Borel would imply that $L^2$ is separable, which I don't think is necessary. For the continuity of $tildepi$, yes as you say. For $mathcal N$, you want the $E$ to come from $mathcal A$, as you want to realize $mathcal A$. Since $mathcal A$ is in $L^infty(X, mathcal M,nu)$, if $1_Einmathcal A$ you have $Einmathcal M$. So $mathcal N$ is a subalgebra of $mathcal M$ by construction. As for your last question, you take $tildepi$ to be the inclusion. Since it's (trivially) weak$^*$-continuous, it is a dual. Note that $eta$ is the restriction of $nu$ to $mathcal N$.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 1 at 20:16





1




1




$begingroup$
Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 2 at 13:43




$begingroup$
Yes, and so the absolute continuity condition is trivial, I think.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 2 at 13:43




1




1




$begingroup$
I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 2 at 20:43




$begingroup$
I don't see how you can deal with duals and double duals in this case. But I think you can do it explicity. Write $X=Ycup(Xsetminus Y)$; fix $x_0in Xsetminus Y$ and define $$pi(x)=begincases x,& xin Y\ x_0,& xnotin Yendcases$$ This $pi$ satisfies $tilde pi=j$ and $pi_*null eta$.
$endgroup$
– Martin Argerami
Apr 2 at 20:43

















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