If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x < y + 1 as x ≤ y? The Next CEO of Stack Overflow$X+Y <0$ and $Y - X >0$. Can we determine which of $Y$ and $0$ is bigger? (GRE question)Triangle inequality proof in Spivak's calculusInequality proof, why isn't squaring by both sides permissible?Find value of $x$ for: $(1/3)(1-x) geq 2(x-3)$Inequalities with variables that are integersProve $z leq 2(z+1-log z) - (4-2log 2) $ for $z>0$Why two Inequalities are trueUnderstanding an example of “for all” and “for some” usage in statements.Suppose $x<epsilon$, why is then $ln (1-x) > -fracx1-epsilon$Problem in solving inequality.
Is there such a thing as a proper verb, like a proper noun?
Lucky Feat: How can "more than one creature spend a luck point to influence the outcome of a roll"?
How to use ReplaceAll on an expression that contains a rule
Why is information "lost" when it got into a black hole?
Is French Guiana a (hard) EU border?
Is there an equivalent of cd - for cp or mv
Help understanding this unsettling image of Titan, Epimetheus, and Saturn's rings?
When "be it" is at the beginning of a sentence, what kind of structure do you call it?
Are the names of these months realistic?
What does "shotgun unity" refer to here in this sentence?
What is the difference between Statistical Mechanics and Quantum Mechanics
Is a distribution that is normal, but highly skewed, considered Gaussian?
What day is it again?
Which one is the true statement?
How to explain the utility of binomial logistic regression when the predictors are purely categorical
New carbon wheel brake pads after use on aluminum wheel?
What CSS properties can the br tag have?
TikZ: How to fill area with a special pattern?
Regression vs Random Forest - Combination of features
Players Circumventing the limitations of Wish
Is dried pee considered dirt?
How do I fit a non linear curve?
IC has pull-down resistors on SMBus lines?
Audio Conversion With ADS1243
If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x
The Next CEO of Stack Overflow$X+Y <0$ and $Y - X >0$. Can we determine which of $Y$ and $0$ is bigger? (GRE question)Triangle inequality proof in Spivak's calculusInequality proof, why isn't squaring by both sides permissible?Find value of $x$ for: $(1/3)(1-x) geq 2(x-3)$Inequalities with variables that are integersProve $z leq 2(z+1-log z) - (4-2log 2) $ for $z>0$Why two Inequalities are trueUnderstanding an example of “for all” and “for some” usage in statements.Suppose $x<epsilon$, why is then $ln (1-x) > -fracx1-epsilon$Problem in solving inequality.
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x < y + 1 as x ≤ y?
If x = 1 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 1 + 1 ≡ 1 < 2, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 1, is also true.
If x = 1 and y = 2,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 2 + 1 ≡ 1 < 3, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 2, is also true.
If x = 2 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 2 < 1 + 1 ≡ 2 < 2, is false, and
x ≤ y ≡ 2 ≤ 1, is also false.
I don't see why x < y + 1 can't be rewritten as x ≤ y, or the other way around, when x and y are both integers.
inequality
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x < y + 1 as x ≤ y?
If x = 1 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 1 + 1 ≡ 1 < 2, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 1, is also true.
If x = 1 and y = 2,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 2 + 1 ≡ 1 < 3, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 2, is also true.
If x = 2 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 2 < 1 + 1 ≡ 2 < 2, is false, and
x ≤ y ≡ 2 ≤ 1, is also false.
I don't see why x < y + 1 can't be rewritten as x ≤ y, or the other way around, when x and y are both integers.
inequality
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x < y + 1 as x ≤ y?
If x = 1 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 1 + 1 ≡ 1 < 2, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 1, is also true.
If x = 1 and y = 2,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 2 + 1 ≡ 1 < 3, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 2, is also true.
If x = 2 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 2 < 1 + 1 ≡ 2 < 2, is false, and
x ≤ y ≡ 2 ≤ 1, is also false.
I don't see why x < y + 1 can't be rewritten as x ≤ y, or the other way around, when x and y are both integers.
inequality
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
If x and y are integers, can I rewrite x < y + 1 as x ≤ y?
If x = 1 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 1 + 1 ≡ 1 < 2, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 1, is also true.
If x = 1 and y = 2,
x < y + 1 ≡ 1 < 2 + 1 ≡ 1 < 3, is true, and
x ≤ y ≡ 1 ≤ 2, is also true.
If x = 2 and y = 1,
x < y + 1 ≡ 2 < 1 + 1 ≡ 2 < 2, is false, and
x ≤ y ≡ 2 ≤ 1, is also false.
I don't see why x < y + 1 can't be rewritten as x ≤ y, or the other way around, when x and y are both integers.
inequality
inequality
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked Mar 28 at 0:38
Geon AnGeon An
1
1
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Geon An is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
5
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42
add a comment |
5
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42
5
5
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Let $x$ and $y$ be integers.
If $xle y$ then $x<y+1.$
On the other hand, if $x>y$ then $x ge y+1$.
Thus, $x le y $ if and only if $x<y+1$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For integers yes you can.
For any $x,yin mathbb R$ we have $y < y+1$ and there are three possibilities for $x$
i) $x ge y+1$. We were told this is not true.
ii) $y < x < y+ 1$. If $y$ is an integer then there are no integers between $y$ and $y+1$. So if $x$ and $y$ are integers then this is impossible.
iii) $x le y$.
So we are told i) is false; and ii) is impossible. That leaves only iii) $x le y$.
Note: You can't do this in general if $x$ and/or $y$ aren't integers.
==== old obtuse answer below ====
Bear with me:
Let's suppose $A$ is a set of numbers.
If $k = max A$, the maximum element (if any) in $A$.
Then if $x in A$ we have to have $x le k$. That's obvious. If $x$ is in $A$ and $k$ is the largest element in $A$ then $x$, an element, is at most, as large as the largest element.
If $A= $ the set of all integers less than $y+1$, an integer. Then $y+1$ and anything larger is not in $A$ because $y+1 not < y+1$ nor would anything larger be. But $y < y+1$ so $y$ is in $A$. So $y = max A$ because $y$ any thing larger is not.
Okay. So $x < y+1$ means $x$ is in $A$ and so $x le max A = y$.
A bit overkill but....
$endgroup$
add a comment |
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
);
);
, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Geon An is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3165322%2fif-x-and-y-are-integers-can-i-rewrite-x-y-1-as-x-%25e2%2589%25a4-y%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Let $x$ and $y$ be integers.
If $xle y$ then $x<y+1.$
On the other hand, if $x>y$ then $x ge y+1$.
Thus, $x le y $ if and only if $x<y+1$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let $x$ and $y$ be integers.
If $xle y$ then $x<y+1.$
On the other hand, if $x>y$ then $x ge y+1$.
Thus, $x le y $ if and only if $x<y+1$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let $x$ and $y$ be integers.
If $xle y$ then $x<y+1.$
On the other hand, if $x>y$ then $x ge y+1$.
Thus, $x le y $ if and only if $x<y+1$.
$endgroup$
Let $x$ and $y$ be integers.
If $xle y$ then $x<y+1.$
On the other hand, if $x>y$ then $x ge y+1$.
Thus, $x le y $ if and only if $x<y+1$.
answered Mar 28 at 1:36
J. W. TannerJ. W. Tanner
4,2011320
4,2011320
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For integers yes you can.
For any $x,yin mathbb R$ we have $y < y+1$ and there are three possibilities for $x$
i) $x ge y+1$. We were told this is not true.
ii) $y < x < y+ 1$. If $y$ is an integer then there are no integers between $y$ and $y+1$. So if $x$ and $y$ are integers then this is impossible.
iii) $x le y$.
So we are told i) is false; and ii) is impossible. That leaves only iii) $x le y$.
Note: You can't do this in general if $x$ and/or $y$ aren't integers.
==== old obtuse answer below ====
Bear with me:
Let's suppose $A$ is a set of numbers.
If $k = max A$, the maximum element (if any) in $A$.
Then if $x in A$ we have to have $x le k$. That's obvious. If $x$ is in $A$ and $k$ is the largest element in $A$ then $x$, an element, is at most, as large as the largest element.
If $A= $ the set of all integers less than $y+1$, an integer. Then $y+1$ and anything larger is not in $A$ because $y+1 not < y+1$ nor would anything larger be. But $y < y+1$ so $y$ is in $A$. So $y = max A$ because $y$ any thing larger is not.
Okay. So $x < y+1$ means $x$ is in $A$ and so $x le max A = y$.
A bit overkill but....
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For integers yes you can.
For any $x,yin mathbb R$ we have $y < y+1$ and there are three possibilities for $x$
i) $x ge y+1$. We were told this is not true.
ii) $y < x < y+ 1$. If $y$ is an integer then there are no integers between $y$ and $y+1$. So if $x$ and $y$ are integers then this is impossible.
iii) $x le y$.
So we are told i) is false; and ii) is impossible. That leaves only iii) $x le y$.
Note: You can't do this in general if $x$ and/or $y$ aren't integers.
==== old obtuse answer below ====
Bear with me:
Let's suppose $A$ is a set of numbers.
If $k = max A$, the maximum element (if any) in $A$.
Then if $x in A$ we have to have $x le k$. That's obvious. If $x$ is in $A$ and $k$ is the largest element in $A$ then $x$, an element, is at most, as large as the largest element.
If $A= $ the set of all integers less than $y+1$, an integer. Then $y+1$ and anything larger is not in $A$ because $y+1 not < y+1$ nor would anything larger be. But $y < y+1$ so $y$ is in $A$. So $y = max A$ because $y$ any thing larger is not.
Okay. So $x < y+1$ means $x$ is in $A$ and so $x le max A = y$.
A bit overkill but....
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For integers yes you can.
For any $x,yin mathbb R$ we have $y < y+1$ and there are three possibilities for $x$
i) $x ge y+1$. We were told this is not true.
ii) $y < x < y+ 1$. If $y$ is an integer then there are no integers between $y$ and $y+1$. So if $x$ and $y$ are integers then this is impossible.
iii) $x le y$.
So we are told i) is false; and ii) is impossible. That leaves only iii) $x le y$.
Note: You can't do this in general if $x$ and/or $y$ aren't integers.
==== old obtuse answer below ====
Bear with me:
Let's suppose $A$ is a set of numbers.
If $k = max A$, the maximum element (if any) in $A$.
Then if $x in A$ we have to have $x le k$. That's obvious. If $x$ is in $A$ and $k$ is the largest element in $A$ then $x$, an element, is at most, as large as the largest element.
If $A= $ the set of all integers less than $y+1$, an integer. Then $y+1$ and anything larger is not in $A$ because $y+1 not < y+1$ nor would anything larger be. But $y < y+1$ so $y$ is in $A$. So $y = max A$ because $y$ any thing larger is not.
Okay. So $x < y+1$ means $x$ is in $A$ and so $x le max A = y$.
A bit overkill but....
$endgroup$
For integers yes you can.
For any $x,yin mathbb R$ we have $y < y+1$ and there are three possibilities for $x$
i) $x ge y+1$. We were told this is not true.
ii) $y < x < y+ 1$. If $y$ is an integer then there are no integers between $y$ and $y+1$. So if $x$ and $y$ are integers then this is impossible.
iii) $x le y$.
So we are told i) is false; and ii) is impossible. That leaves only iii) $x le y$.
Note: You can't do this in general if $x$ and/or $y$ aren't integers.
==== old obtuse answer below ====
Bear with me:
Let's suppose $A$ is a set of numbers.
If $k = max A$, the maximum element (if any) in $A$.
Then if $x in A$ we have to have $x le k$. That's obvious. If $x$ is in $A$ and $k$ is the largest element in $A$ then $x$, an element, is at most, as large as the largest element.
If $A= $ the set of all integers less than $y+1$, an integer. Then $y+1$ and anything larger is not in $A$ because $y+1 not < y+1$ nor would anything larger be. But $y < y+1$ so $y$ is in $A$. So $y = max A$ because $y$ any thing larger is not.
Okay. So $x < y+1$ means $x$ is in $A$ and so $x le max A = y$.
A bit overkill but....
edited Mar 28 at 3:13
answered Mar 28 at 1:41
fleabloodfleablood
73.7k22891
73.7k22891
add a comment |
add a comment |
Geon An is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Geon An is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Geon An is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Geon An is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3165322%2fif-x-and-y-are-integers-can-i-rewrite-x-y-1-as-x-%25e2%2589%25a4-y%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown

5
$begingroup$
If x and y are integers, Yes you can
$endgroup$
– M. Di
Mar 28 at 0:42