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How to construct a two-sheeted cover of a non-orientable surface?



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InCovering space of a non-orientable surfaceOrientable Surface Covers Non-Orientable SurfaceAre there odd-sheeted coverings of non-orientable surfaces by orientable surfaces?Covering of orientable surface (Hatcher)Closed, orientable surface whose genus is very hard to find intuitivelyProof that a map from an orientable surface to a non-orientable surface has even degree.Showing the Sum of $n-1$ Tori is a Double Cover of the Sum of $n$ Copies of $mathbbRP^2$Can $mathbbZ/6mathbbZ$ act freely and properly discontinuously on $Sigma_4$?Homology of orientable and non-orientable surfacesCovering of torus by orientable surface of genus g










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Let $S$ be a non-orientable surface. Then there exists a two-sheeted covering map $p:S'to S$ with $S'$ an orientable surface. I want to know how to construct $p$.



I know that $mathbbRP^2$ is 2-sheeted covered by $S^2$ and $K$ is 2-sheeted covered by the torus. This makes me think that I must double the Euler characteristic for such a covering space $S'$. I want to use a similar construction to show the desired result. So I wanted to started as follows



Every non-orientable surface is homeomorphic to $N_g$ for some $ggeq 1$. I wanted to somehow have a properly discontinuous action of $mathbbZ/2mathbbZ$ on a orientable surface $M_g'$ such that $M_g'/(mathbbZ/2mathbbZ)$ is homeomorphic to $N_g$.










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    Do you know the orientation double cover ?
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    I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
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Let $S$ be a non-orientable surface. Then there exists a two-sheeted covering map $p:S'to S$ with $S'$ an orientable surface. I want to know how to construct $p$.



I know that $mathbbRP^2$ is 2-sheeted covered by $S^2$ and $K$ is 2-sheeted covered by the torus. This makes me think that I must double the Euler characteristic for such a covering space $S'$. I want to use a similar construction to show the desired result. So I wanted to started as follows



Every non-orientable surface is homeomorphic to $N_g$ for some $ggeq 1$. I wanted to somehow have a properly discontinuous action of $mathbbZ/2mathbbZ$ on a orientable surface $M_g'$ such that $M_g'/(mathbbZ/2mathbbZ)$ is homeomorphic to $N_g$.










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    Do you know the orientation double cover ?
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    No I havent heard about that one.
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    How is it constructed?
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    I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
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Let $S$ be a non-orientable surface. Then there exists a two-sheeted covering map $p:S'to S$ with $S'$ an orientable surface. I want to know how to construct $p$.



I know that $mathbbRP^2$ is 2-sheeted covered by $S^2$ and $K$ is 2-sheeted covered by the torus. This makes me think that I must double the Euler characteristic for such a covering space $S'$. I want to use a similar construction to show the desired result. So I wanted to started as follows



Every non-orientable surface is homeomorphic to $N_g$ for some $ggeq 1$. I wanted to somehow have a properly discontinuous action of $mathbbZ/2mathbbZ$ on a orientable surface $M_g'$ such that $M_g'/(mathbbZ/2mathbbZ)$ is homeomorphic to $N_g$.










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Let $S$ be a non-orientable surface. Then there exists a two-sheeted covering map $p:S'to S$ with $S'$ an orientable surface. I want to know how to construct $p$.



I know that $mathbbRP^2$ is 2-sheeted covered by $S^2$ and $K$ is 2-sheeted covered by the torus. This makes me think that I must double the Euler characteristic for such a covering space $S'$. I want to use a similar construction to show the desired result. So I wanted to started as follows



Every non-orientable surface is homeomorphic to $N_g$ for some $ggeq 1$. I wanted to somehow have a properly discontinuous action of $mathbbZ/2mathbbZ$ on a orientable surface $M_g'$ such that $M_g'/(mathbbZ/2mathbbZ)$ is homeomorphic to $N_g$.







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    No I havent heard about that one.
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    How is it constructed?
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    I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
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    – Max
    Mar 31 at 8:46










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    Just topological manifold, no smooth structures or any additional structures
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    Do you know the orientation double cover ?
    $endgroup$
    – Max
    Mar 30 at 22:15










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    No I havent heard about that one.
    $endgroup$
    – user408856
    Mar 31 at 5:56











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    How is it constructed?
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    I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
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    – Max
    Mar 31 at 8:46










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    Just topological manifold, no smooth structures or any additional structures
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Do you know the orientation double cover ?
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$begingroup$
Do you know the orientation double cover ?
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– Max
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No I havent heard about that one.
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– user408856
Mar 31 at 5:56





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No I havent heard about that one.
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Mar 31 at 5:56













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How is it constructed?
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– user408856
Mar 31 at 6:36





$begingroup$
How is it constructed?
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Mar 31 at 6:36













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I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
$endgroup$
– Max
Mar 31 at 8:46




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I'll write an answer about it then. To know how to write it though, what kind of orientation are we talking about ? Topological manifold or differential manifold ?
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– Max
Mar 31 at 8:46












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Just topological manifold, no smooth structures or any additional structures
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Here is a hands-on construction of the orientation covering for compact connected surfaces (without boundary). Let $N_p$ be a genus $p$ nonorientable surface, i.e. the connected sum of $p$ projective planes. I will describe the orientation covering when $p$ is odd and leave you the even case to work out by analogy.



If $p$ is odd then $N_p$ is homeomorphic to the connected sum of $M_g$ and $RP^2$, where $M_g$ is the compact oriented surface of genus $g$ satisfying $p=2g+1$.



Another way to describe this is to say that $N_p$ is obtained from the surface $M_g,1$ (compact oriented of genus $g$ with one boundary component) by "adding a cross-cup", i.e. identifying the boundary circle with itself via the antipodal map $tau: S^1to S^1$. We will need one more observation: The involution $tau$ extends to an involution $tau: M_g,1to M_g,1$. Let me know if you do not know how to find such an extension. Now, given this, let $M'_g,1$ be another copy of $M_g,1$, let $sigma: M_g,1to M'_g,1$ denote the identification map. Formally speaking, we take $M_g,1times 0,1$ and
$$
sigma(x,i)=(x, 1-i), ~iin 0,1, ~xin M_g,1.$$

Then $M_g,1= M_g,1times 0$, $M'_g,1= M_g,1times 1$.



I will glue the surfaces $M_g,1$ and $M'_g,1$ along their boundary $S^1$ using the map $sigma$. The result is the oriented surface $M_2g$ containing a copy of $S^1$ which is a topological circle I will denote $C$. Define an involution $phi: M_2gto M_2g$ as the composition of $sigma$ (fixing the common circle $C$ pointwise and swapping $M_g,1$ with $M'_g,1$) and the involution $tau$. I will leave you to check that $phi$ is a fixed-point free involution; its restriction to $C$ is the antipodal map $tau$. From this, you see that the quotient $M_2g/phi$ is the original surface $N_p$. This is your orientation covering map $M_2gto N_p$.






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    When talking about orientability of a connected $n$-dimensional manifold $M$, there is a very natural cover that appears, and it's called the orientation double cover of $M$.



    As its name suggests, it is a double-sheeted covering of $M$. What makes it interesting is that an orientation of $M$ is equivalent to a section of that cover : in particular the cover is connected if and only if $M$ is non orientable (if it is connected then there can be no section, hence no orientation; if $M$ is orientable, there is a section, and so it can't be connected.)



    Thus when $M$ is a connected non-orientable manifold, this automatically gives you a connected double-sheeted covering of $M$.



    Now to describe this covering. Recall that a local orienration of $M$ at $xin M$ is a choice of a generator $mu_x in H_n(M, Msetminus x)$ (in what follows I will write $H_n(Mmid x)$ for this homology group). But recall that $H_n(Mmid x) simeq mathbbZ$ so there are only two choices for such a generator.



    A global orientation of $M$ is a family of local orientations that satisfies a certain compatibility condition. We can already see our covering popping up : a section should be an orientation, thus a choice of local orientations, with compatibility conditions. This means that the fiber over $x$ should be the local orientations at $x$ and the topology of the space should be such that compatibility of local orientations coincides with continuity of the section.



    So let $widetildeM := displaystylecoprod_xin M H_n(Mmid x)^times$ ($H_n(Mmid x)^times$ denotes the set of generators), with the obvious projection map to $M$. We now have to figure out a topology for $widetildeM$.



    For any open set $Usubset M$ of the form $phi^-1(mathrmInt(D^n))$ with a homeomorphism $phi : Vto mathbbR^n$, for $V$ an open set, we have $H_n(M, Msetminus U) simeq mathbbZ$ as well and so we can talk about $H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$ too. Then for any $zin H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$, put $(U,z) := z_x mid xin U$ where $z_x$ is the image of $z$ under the restriction map $H_n(M,Msetminus U) to H_n(Mmid x)$ (which is an isomorphism of groups, hence it sends a generator to a generator)



    One easily checks that the $(U,z)$ form a basis for a topology if we make $U$ and $z$ move as described above.



    Now it's mostly a matter of unwrapping the definitions but you can see quite easily that the projection $widetildeMto M$ is a cover, that it is double-sheeted, and that a section is precisely an orientation. You can then conclude as I did earlier.






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      Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
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      @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
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      @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
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      How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
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      If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
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    Here is a hands-on construction of the orientation covering for compact connected surfaces (without boundary). Let $N_p$ be a genus $p$ nonorientable surface, i.e. the connected sum of $p$ projective planes. I will describe the orientation covering when $p$ is odd and leave you the even case to work out by analogy.



    If $p$ is odd then $N_p$ is homeomorphic to the connected sum of $M_g$ and $RP^2$, where $M_g$ is the compact oriented surface of genus $g$ satisfying $p=2g+1$.



    Another way to describe this is to say that $N_p$ is obtained from the surface $M_g,1$ (compact oriented of genus $g$ with one boundary component) by "adding a cross-cup", i.e. identifying the boundary circle with itself via the antipodal map $tau: S^1to S^1$. We will need one more observation: The involution $tau$ extends to an involution $tau: M_g,1to M_g,1$. Let me know if you do not know how to find such an extension. Now, given this, let $M'_g,1$ be another copy of $M_g,1$, let $sigma: M_g,1to M'_g,1$ denote the identification map. Formally speaking, we take $M_g,1times 0,1$ and
    $$
    sigma(x,i)=(x, 1-i), ~iin 0,1, ~xin M_g,1.$$

    Then $M_g,1= M_g,1times 0$, $M'_g,1= M_g,1times 1$.



    I will glue the surfaces $M_g,1$ and $M'_g,1$ along their boundary $S^1$ using the map $sigma$. The result is the oriented surface $M_2g$ containing a copy of $S^1$ which is a topological circle I will denote $C$. Define an involution $phi: M_2gto M_2g$ as the composition of $sigma$ (fixing the common circle $C$ pointwise and swapping $M_g,1$ with $M'_g,1$) and the involution $tau$. I will leave you to check that $phi$ is a fixed-point free involution; its restriction to $C$ is the antipodal map $tau$. From this, you see that the quotient $M_2g/phi$ is the original surface $N_p$. This is your orientation covering map $M_2gto N_p$.






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      Here is a hands-on construction of the orientation covering for compact connected surfaces (without boundary). Let $N_p$ be a genus $p$ nonorientable surface, i.e. the connected sum of $p$ projective planes. I will describe the orientation covering when $p$ is odd and leave you the even case to work out by analogy.



      If $p$ is odd then $N_p$ is homeomorphic to the connected sum of $M_g$ and $RP^2$, where $M_g$ is the compact oriented surface of genus $g$ satisfying $p=2g+1$.



      Another way to describe this is to say that $N_p$ is obtained from the surface $M_g,1$ (compact oriented of genus $g$ with one boundary component) by "adding a cross-cup", i.e. identifying the boundary circle with itself via the antipodal map $tau: S^1to S^1$. We will need one more observation: The involution $tau$ extends to an involution $tau: M_g,1to M_g,1$. Let me know if you do not know how to find such an extension. Now, given this, let $M'_g,1$ be another copy of $M_g,1$, let $sigma: M_g,1to M'_g,1$ denote the identification map. Formally speaking, we take $M_g,1times 0,1$ and
      $$
      sigma(x,i)=(x, 1-i), ~iin 0,1, ~xin M_g,1.$$

      Then $M_g,1= M_g,1times 0$, $M'_g,1= M_g,1times 1$.



      I will glue the surfaces $M_g,1$ and $M'_g,1$ along their boundary $S^1$ using the map $sigma$. The result is the oriented surface $M_2g$ containing a copy of $S^1$ which is a topological circle I will denote $C$. Define an involution $phi: M_2gto M_2g$ as the composition of $sigma$ (fixing the common circle $C$ pointwise and swapping $M_g,1$ with $M'_g,1$) and the involution $tau$. I will leave you to check that $phi$ is a fixed-point free involution; its restriction to $C$ is the antipodal map $tau$. From this, you see that the quotient $M_2g/phi$ is the original surface $N_p$. This is your orientation covering map $M_2gto N_p$.






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        Here is a hands-on construction of the orientation covering for compact connected surfaces (without boundary). Let $N_p$ be a genus $p$ nonorientable surface, i.e. the connected sum of $p$ projective planes. I will describe the orientation covering when $p$ is odd and leave you the even case to work out by analogy.



        If $p$ is odd then $N_p$ is homeomorphic to the connected sum of $M_g$ and $RP^2$, where $M_g$ is the compact oriented surface of genus $g$ satisfying $p=2g+1$.



        Another way to describe this is to say that $N_p$ is obtained from the surface $M_g,1$ (compact oriented of genus $g$ with one boundary component) by "adding a cross-cup", i.e. identifying the boundary circle with itself via the antipodal map $tau: S^1to S^1$. We will need one more observation: The involution $tau$ extends to an involution $tau: M_g,1to M_g,1$. Let me know if you do not know how to find such an extension. Now, given this, let $M'_g,1$ be another copy of $M_g,1$, let $sigma: M_g,1to M'_g,1$ denote the identification map. Formally speaking, we take $M_g,1times 0,1$ and
        $$
        sigma(x,i)=(x, 1-i), ~iin 0,1, ~xin M_g,1.$$

        Then $M_g,1= M_g,1times 0$, $M'_g,1= M_g,1times 1$.



        I will glue the surfaces $M_g,1$ and $M'_g,1$ along their boundary $S^1$ using the map $sigma$. The result is the oriented surface $M_2g$ containing a copy of $S^1$ which is a topological circle I will denote $C$. Define an involution $phi: M_2gto M_2g$ as the composition of $sigma$ (fixing the common circle $C$ pointwise and swapping $M_g,1$ with $M'_g,1$) and the involution $tau$. I will leave you to check that $phi$ is a fixed-point free involution; its restriction to $C$ is the antipodal map $tau$. From this, you see that the quotient $M_2g/phi$ is the original surface $N_p$. This is your orientation covering map $M_2gto N_p$.






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        Here is a hands-on construction of the orientation covering for compact connected surfaces (without boundary). Let $N_p$ be a genus $p$ nonorientable surface, i.e. the connected sum of $p$ projective planes. I will describe the orientation covering when $p$ is odd and leave you the even case to work out by analogy.



        If $p$ is odd then $N_p$ is homeomorphic to the connected sum of $M_g$ and $RP^2$, where $M_g$ is the compact oriented surface of genus $g$ satisfying $p=2g+1$.



        Another way to describe this is to say that $N_p$ is obtained from the surface $M_g,1$ (compact oriented of genus $g$ with one boundary component) by "adding a cross-cup", i.e. identifying the boundary circle with itself via the antipodal map $tau: S^1to S^1$. We will need one more observation: The involution $tau$ extends to an involution $tau: M_g,1to M_g,1$. Let me know if you do not know how to find such an extension. Now, given this, let $M'_g,1$ be another copy of $M_g,1$, let $sigma: M_g,1to M'_g,1$ denote the identification map. Formally speaking, we take $M_g,1times 0,1$ and
        $$
        sigma(x,i)=(x, 1-i), ~iin 0,1, ~xin M_g,1.$$

        Then $M_g,1= M_g,1times 0$, $M'_g,1= M_g,1times 1$.



        I will glue the surfaces $M_g,1$ and $M'_g,1$ along their boundary $S^1$ using the map $sigma$. The result is the oriented surface $M_2g$ containing a copy of $S^1$ which is a topological circle I will denote $C$. Define an involution $phi: M_2gto M_2g$ as the composition of $sigma$ (fixing the common circle $C$ pointwise and swapping $M_g,1$ with $M'_g,1$) and the involution $tau$. I will leave you to check that $phi$ is a fixed-point free involution; its restriction to $C$ is the antipodal map $tau$. From this, you see that the quotient $M_2g/phi$ is the original surface $N_p$. This is your orientation covering map $M_2gto N_p$.







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        answered Apr 1 at 18:34









        Moishe KohanMoishe Kohan

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            $begingroup$

            When talking about orientability of a connected $n$-dimensional manifold $M$, there is a very natural cover that appears, and it's called the orientation double cover of $M$.



            As its name suggests, it is a double-sheeted covering of $M$. What makes it interesting is that an orientation of $M$ is equivalent to a section of that cover : in particular the cover is connected if and only if $M$ is non orientable (if it is connected then there can be no section, hence no orientation; if $M$ is orientable, there is a section, and so it can't be connected.)



            Thus when $M$ is a connected non-orientable manifold, this automatically gives you a connected double-sheeted covering of $M$.



            Now to describe this covering. Recall that a local orienration of $M$ at $xin M$ is a choice of a generator $mu_x in H_n(M, Msetminus x)$ (in what follows I will write $H_n(Mmid x)$ for this homology group). But recall that $H_n(Mmid x) simeq mathbbZ$ so there are only two choices for such a generator.



            A global orientation of $M$ is a family of local orientations that satisfies a certain compatibility condition. We can already see our covering popping up : a section should be an orientation, thus a choice of local orientations, with compatibility conditions. This means that the fiber over $x$ should be the local orientations at $x$ and the topology of the space should be such that compatibility of local orientations coincides with continuity of the section.



            So let $widetildeM := displaystylecoprod_xin M H_n(Mmid x)^times$ ($H_n(Mmid x)^times$ denotes the set of generators), with the obvious projection map to $M$. We now have to figure out a topology for $widetildeM$.



            For any open set $Usubset M$ of the form $phi^-1(mathrmInt(D^n))$ with a homeomorphism $phi : Vto mathbbR^n$, for $V$ an open set, we have $H_n(M, Msetminus U) simeq mathbbZ$ as well and so we can talk about $H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$ too. Then for any $zin H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$, put $(U,z) := z_x mid xin U$ where $z_x$ is the image of $z$ under the restriction map $H_n(M,Msetminus U) to H_n(Mmid x)$ (which is an isomorphism of groups, hence it sends a generator to a generator)



            One easily checks that the $(U,z)$ form a basis for a topology if we make $U$ and $z$ move as described above.



            Now it's mostly a matter of unwrapping the definitions but you can see quite easily that the projection $widetildeMto M$ is a cover, that it is double-sheeted, and that a section is precisely an orientation. You can then conclude as I did earlier.






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            • $begingroup$
              Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Mar 31 at 10:07










            • $begingroup$
              @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Mar 31 at 10:31










            • $begingroup$
              @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:01










            • $begingroup$
              How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Apr 1 at 8:02










            • $begingroup$
              If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:32















            0












            $begingroup$

            When talking about orientability of a connected $n$-dimensional manifold $M$, there is a very natural cover that appears, and it's called the orientation double cover of $M$.



            As its name suggests, it is a double-sheeted covering of $M$. What makes it interesting is that an orientation of $M$ is equivalent to a section of that cover : in particular the cover is connected if and only if $M$ is non orientable (if it is connected then there can be no section, hence no orientation; if $M$ is orientable, there is a section, and so it can't be connected.)



            Thus when $M$ is a connected non-orientable manifold, this automatically gives you a connected double-sheeted covering of $M$.



            Now to describe this covering. Recall that a local orienration of $M$ at $xin M$ is a choice of a generator $mu_x in H_n(M, Msetminus x)$ (in what follows I will write $H_n(Mmid x)$ for this homology group). But recall that $H_n(Mmid x) simeq mathbbZ$ so there are only two choices for such a generator.



            A global orientation of $M$ is a family of local orientations that satisfies a certain compatibility condition. We can already see our covering popping up : a section should be an orientation, thus a choice of local orientations, with compatibility conditions. This means that the fiber over $x$ should be the local orientations at $x$ and the topology of the space should be such that compatibility of local orientations coincides with continuity of the section.



            So let $widetildeM := displaystylecoprod_xin M H_n(Mmid x)^times$ ($H_n(Mmid x)^times$ denotes the set of generators), with the obvious projection map to $M$. We now have to figure out a topology for $widetildeM$.



            For any open set $Usubset M$ of the form $phi^-1(mathrmInt(D^n))$ with a homeomorphism $phi : Vto mathbbR^n$, for $V$ an open set, we have $H_n(M, Msetminus U) simeq mathbbZ$ as well and so we can talk about $H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$ too. Then for any $zin H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$, put $(U,z) := z_x mid xin U$ where $z_x$ is the image of $z$ under the restriction map $H_n(M,Msetminus U) to H_n(Mmid x)$ (which is an isomorphism of groups, hence it sends a generator to a generator)



            One easily checks that the $(U,z)$ form a basis for a topology if we make $U$ and $z$ move as described above.



            Now it's mostly a matter of unwrapping the definitions but you can see quite easily that the projection $widetildeMto M$ is a cover, that it is double-sheeted, and that a section is precisely an orientation. You can then conclude as I did earlier.






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            $endgroup$












            • $begingroup$
              Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Mar 31 at 10:07










            • $begingroup$
              @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Mar 31 at 10:31










            • $begingroup$
              @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:01










            • $begingroup$
              How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Apr 1 at 8:02










            • $begingroup$
              If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:32













            0












            0








            0





            $begingroup$

            When talking about orientability of a connected $n$-dimensional manifold $M$, there is a very natural cover that appears, and it's called the orientation double cover of $M$.



            As its name suggests, it is a double-sheeted covering of $M$. What makes it interesting is that an orientation of $M$ is equivalent to a section of that cover : in particular the cover is connected if and only if $M$ is non orientable (if it is connected then there can be no section, hence no orientation; if $M$ is orientable, there is a section, and so it can't be connected.)



            Thus when $M$ is a connected non-orientable manifold, this automatically gives you a connected double-sheeted covering of $M$.



            Now to describe this covering. Recall that a local orienration of $M$ at $xin M$ is a choice of a generator $mu_x in H_n(M, Msetminus x)$ (in what follows I will write $H_n(Mmid x)$ for this homology group). But recall that $H_n(Mmid x) simeq mathbbZ$ so there are only two choices for such a generator.



            A global orientation of $M$ is a family of local orientations that satisfies a certain compatibility condition. We can already see our covering popping up : a section should be an orientation, thus a choice of local orientations, with compatibility conditions. This means that the fiber over $x$ should be the local orientations at $x$ and the topology of the space should be such that compatibility of local orientations coincides with continuity of the section.



            So let $widetildeM := displaystylecoprod_xin M H_n(Mmid x)^times$ ($H_n(Mmid x)^times$ denotes the set of generators), with the obvious projection map to $M$. We now have to figure out a topology for $widetildeM$.



            For any open set $Usubset M$ of the form $phi^-1(mathrmInt(D^n))$ with a homeomorphism $phi : Vto mathbbR^n$, for $V$ an open set, we have $H_n(M, Msetminus U) simeq mathbbZ$ as well and so we can talk about $H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$ too. Then for any $zin H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$, put $(U,z) := z_x mid xin U$ where $z_x$ is the image of $z$ under the restriction map $H_n(M,Msetminus U) to H_n(Mmid x)$ (which is an isomorphism of groups, hence it sends a generator to a generator)



            One easily checks that the $(U,z)$ form a basis for a topology if we make $U$ and $z$ move as described above.



            Now it's mostly a matter of unwrapping the definitions but you can see quite easily that the projection $widetildeMto M$ is a cover, that it is double-sheeted, and that a section is precisely an orientation. You can then conclude as I did earlier.






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            When talking about orientability of a connected $n$-dimensional manifold $M$, there is a very natural cover that appears, and it's called the orientation double cover of $M$.



            As its name suggests, it is a double-sheeted covering of $M$. What makes it interesting is that an orientation of $M$ is equivalent to a section of that cover : in particular the cover is connected if and only if $M$ is non orientable (if it is connected then there can be no section, hence no orientation; if $M$ is orientable, there is a section, and so it can't be connected.)



            Thus when $M$ is a connected non-orientable manifold, this automatically gives you a connected double-sheeted covering of $M$.



            Now to describe this covering. Recall that a local orienration of $M$ at $xin M$ is a choice of a generator $mu_x in H_n(M, Msetminus x)$ (in what follows I will write $H_n(Mmid x)$ for this homology group). But recall that $H_n(Mmid x) simeq mathbbZ$ so there are only two choices for such a generator.



            A global orientation of $M$ is a family of local orientations that satisfies a certain compatibility condition. We can already see our covering popping up : a section should be an orientation, thus a choice of local orientations, with compatibility conditions. This means that the fiber over $x$ should be the local orientations at $x$ and the topology of the space should be such that compatibility of local orientations coincides with continuity of the section.



            So let $widetildeM := displaystylecoprod_xin M H_n(Mmid x)^times$ ($H_n(Mmid x)^times$ denotes the set of generators), with the obvious projection map to $M$. We now have to figure out a topology for $widetildeM$.



            For any open set $Usubset M$ of the form $phi^-1(mathrmInt(D^n))$ with a homeomorphism $phi : Vto mathbbR^n$, for $V$ an open set, we have $H_n(M, Msetminus U) simeq mathbbZ$ as well and so we can talk about $H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$ too. Then for any $zin H_n(M, Msetminus U)^times$, put $(U,z) := z_x mid xin U$ where $z_x$ is the image of $z$ under the restriction map $H_n(M,Msetminus U) to H_n(Mmid x)$ (which is an isomorphism of groups, hence it sends a generator to a generator)



            One easily checks that the $(U,z)$ form a basis for a topology if we make $U$ and $z$ move as described above.



            Now it's mostly a matter of unwrapping the definitions but you can see quite easily that the projection $widetildeMto M$ is a cover, that it is double-sheeted, and that a section is precisely an orientation. You can then conclude as I did earlier.







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            answered Mar 31 at 9:36









            MaxMax

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            • $begingroup$
              Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Mar 31 at 10:07










            • $begingroup$
              @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Mar 31 at 10:31










            • $begingroup$
              @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:01










            • $begingroup$
              How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Apr 1 at 8:02










            • $begingroup$
              If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:32
















            • $begingroup$
              Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Mar 31 at 10:07










            • $begingroup$
              @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Mar 31 at 10:31










            • $begingroup$
              @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:01










            • $begingroup$
              How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
              $endgroup$
              – user408856
              Apr 1 at 8:02










            • $begingroup$
              If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
              $endgroup$
              – Max
              Apr 1 at 8:32















            $begingroup$
            Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
            $endgroup$
            – user408856
            Mar 31 at 10:07




            $begingroup$
            Thank you for the elaborate answer, but we didn't treat homology yet, we defined (non)-orientability of a surface by a homeomorphism between the surface and either $M_g$ or $N_g$, based on the classification theorem of surfaces.
            $endgroup$
            – user408856
            Mar 31 at 10:07












            $begingroup$
            @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
            $endgroup$
            – Max
            Mar 31 at 10:31




            $begingroup$
            @James : oh ! In that case I don't really know how to answer. Note that the $tildeM$ I constructed is in fact orientable, hence is $M_g$ for some $g$. I don't know yet how to predict its genus though, I'll have to think about it
            $endgroup$
            – Max
            Mar 31 at 10:31












            $begingroup$
            @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
            $endgroup$
            – Max
            Apr 1 at 8:01




            $begingroup$
            @James : you shouldn't have accepted my answer, someone would probably have answered with an actual covering $M_g'to N_g$, I assume that geometers or even manifold-topologists know this very well
            $endgroup$
            – Max
            Apr 1 at 8:01












            $begingroup$
            How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
            $endgroup$
            – user408856
            Apr 1 at 8:02




            $begingroup$
            How can I get attention to this question again? It is now almost a day ago?
            $endgroup$
            – user408856
            Apr 1 at 8:02












            $begingroup$
            If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
            $endgroup$
            – Max
            Apr 1 at 8:32




            $begingroup$
            If nothing comes up in the next day you can start a bounty to get attention, and specify what you're looking fot (i.e. explain why you want more than my answer)
            $endgroup$
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