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Galois Action on underlying Topological space of a Group Scheme
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Galois Action on SchemeDoes the absolute Galois group act on the moduli space of curvesHow does Galois group acts on etale cohomology?Are closed points of a scheme $fracXk$ the same $overlinek$-points, modulo Galois group actionAction of the group of automorphisms of a connected finite étale cover (Corollary 5.3.4 in Szamuely).Behaviour of an étale morphism under Galois action on points.Is $pi_1^et(mathrmSpec, k) simeq mathrmGal(k^sep/k)$? (confusion about profinite completions)Galois action and Weil restrictionEtale cohomology of a number fieldGalois Action on SchemeAction on Group Scheme
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I have a question arising from the answer of following thread: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/324887/why-is-for-a-group-scheme-of-finite-type-smooth-resp-irreducible-equivale
Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type. Fix the algebraic closure $barK$ of $K$ and consider the resulting Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
As @Piotr Achinger stated there exist an "canonical" action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ by $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
In futher comments in the linked thread there is explained that this action is concretely "the action" of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ (considered as profinite group) on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
My question is what action is here meant? Could anybody describe it concretely?
My consideration:
I know that there exist a canonical action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on $barK$-valued points $barG(barK)= Hom(Spec(barK), barG)$
given explicitely by "conjugation" $g^-1circ phi circ g$ under abusing of notation: concretely it is described locally on affine subsets $Spec(A times barK)= U subset G$ via $g^-1circ phi circ (id otimes g)$ for $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ and $phi in Hom(A otimes overlineK, overlineK)$. This is ok.
But what is the action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the whole $|bar G|$?
Indeed we can interpret $barG(barK)$ as closed subset of $|bar G|$ but can the Galois action as described above on $barG(barK)$ be extended to $|bar G|$?
Maybe by a density argument? I'm not sure.
Remark: This question looks quite similar to this one:Galois Action on Scheme
The essential difference is that the action which I here try to understand seems to base only on topological structure of $G$, namely the of the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
algebraic-geometry group-schemes
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I have a question arising from the answer of following thread: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/324887/why-is-for-a-group-scheme-of-finite-type-smooth-resp-irreducible-equivale
Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type. Fix the algebraic closure $barK$ of $K$ and consider the resulting Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
As @Piotr Achinger stated there exist an "canonical" action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ by $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
In futher comments in the linked thread there is explained that this action is concretely "the action" of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ (considered as profinite group) on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
My question is what action is here meant? Could anybody describe it concretely?
My consideration:
I know that there exist a canonical action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on $barK$-valued points $barG(barK)= Hom(Spec(barK), barG)$
given explicitely by "conjugation" $g^-1circ phi circ g$ under abusing of notation: concretely it is described locally on affine subsets $Spec(A times barK)= U subset G$ via $g^-1circ phi circ (id otimes g)$ for $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ and $phi in Hom(A otimes overlineK, overlineK)$. This is ok.
But what is the action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the whole $|bar G|$?
Indeed we can interpret $barG(barK)$ as closed subset of $|bar G|$ but can the Galois action as described above on $barG(barK)$ be extended to $|bar G|$?
Maybe by a density argument? I'm not sure.
Remark: This question looks quite similar to this one:Galois Action on Scheme
The essential difference is that the action which I here try to understand seems to base only on topological structure of $G$, namely the of the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
algebraic-geometry group-schemes
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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I have a question arising from the answer of following thread: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/324887/why-is-for-a-group-scheme-of-finite-type-smooth-resp-irreducible-equivale
Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type. Fix the algebraic closure $barK$ of $K$ and consider the resulting Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
As @Piotr Achinger stated there exist an "canonical" action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ by $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
In futher comments in the linked thread there is explained that this action is concretely "the action" of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ (considered as profinite group) on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
My question is what action is here meant? Could anybody describe it concretely?
My consideration:
I know that there exist a canonical action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on $barK$-valued points $barG(barK)= Hom(Spec(barK), barG)$
given explicitely by "conjugation" $g^-1circ phi circ g$ under abusing of notation: concretely it is described locally on affine subsets $Spec(A times barK)= U subset G$ via $g^-1circ phi circ (id otimes g)$ for $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ and $phi in Hom(A otimes overlineK, overlineK)$. This is ok.
But what is the action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the whole $|bar G|$?
Indeed we can interpret $barG(barK)$ as closed subset of $|bar G|$ but can the Galois action as described above on $barG(barK)$ be extended to $|bar G|$?
Maybe by a density argument? I'm not sure.
Remark: This question looks quite similar to this one:Galois Action on Scheme
The essential difference is that the action which I here try to understand seems to base only on topological structure of $G$, namely the of the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
algebraic-geometry group-schemes
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I have a question arising from the answer of following thread: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/324887/why-is-for-a-group-scheme-of-finite-type-smooth-resp-irreducible-equivale
Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type. Fix the algebraic closure $barK$ of $K$ and consider the resulting Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
As @Piotr Achinger stated there exist an "canonical" action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ by $rm Gal(bar K/K)$.
In futher comments in the linked thread there is explained that this action is concretely "the action" of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ (considered as profinite group) on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
My question is what action is here meant? Could anybody describe it concretely?
My consideration:
I know that there exist a canonical action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on $barK$-valued points $barG(barK)= Hom(Spec(barK), barG)$
given explicitely by "conjugation" $g^-1circ phi circ g$ under abusing of notation: concretely it is described locally on affine subsets $Spec(A times barK)= U subset G$ via $g^-1circ phi circ (id otimes g)$ for $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ and $phi in Hom(A otimes overlineK, overlineK)$. This is ok.
But what is the action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the whole $|bar G|$?
Indeed we can interpret $barG(barK)$ as closed subset of $|bar G|$ but can the Galois action as described above on $barG(barK)$ be extended to $|bar G|$?
Maybe by a density argument? I'm not sure.
Remark: This question looks quite similar to this one:Galois Action on Scheme
The essential difference is that the action which I here try to understand seems to base only on topological structure of $G$, namely the of the underlying topological space $|bar G|$.
algebraic-geometry group-schemes
algebraic-geometry group-schemes
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:16
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:16
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:16
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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$newcommandSpecmathrmSpec$Let $X$ be a scheme over $k$. Note that $X_overlinek=Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek)$. So, to give a morphism $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ it suffices to give maps of $k$-schemes $Xto X$ and $mathrmSpec(overlinek)tomathrmSpec(overlinek)$. If $sigmainmathrmGal(overlinek/k)$ then declare that the action of $sigma$ on $X$ is trivial and that the action of $sigma$ on $mathrmSpec(overlinek)$ is the one induced from the $k$-algebra map $overlinektooverlinek$. The induced map $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map $sigma$. Since it's a map of schemes, it's also a map of topological space (read the remark at the end of the post to see a different convention).
If $X=mathrmSpec(A)$ then $X_overlinek=mathrmSpec(Atimes_k overlinek)$ and $sigma$ is the map of schemes $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ corresponding to the ring map $Aotimes_k overlinekto Aotimes_k overlinek$ given by $aotimes alphamapsto aotimes sigma(alpha)$. Covering $X$ by affines with $k$-rational gluing data allows you to bootstrap this concrete understanding of the map to the general case.
How does this relate to the action on $X(overlinek)$? Note that
$$X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
The action on the first presentation of $X(overlinek)$ is to take $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and then $sigma(x)$ is defined to be the composition
$$mathrmSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowxX$$
where, again, the first map $sigma$ is that induced by the ring map $sigma:overlinektooverlinek$. What is the action then on the second presentation of $X(overlinek)$? It can't clearly be the same idea that for $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ we just precompose by $sigma$ since that won't be a morphism over $Spec(overlinek)$. What's true is that $sigma(y)$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowyXtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)qquad (1)$$
To convince ourselves of this, we need to remind ourselves how the identification
$$mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
works. It takes an $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and maps to $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ which, written in coordinates, is the map $(x,mathrmid)$. So, we see that $sigma(y)$ should just be $(xcircsigma,1)$. Let's now think about the composition in $(1)$ looks like when written in coordinates. The projection to $X$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_1X$$
Since $p_1circsigma^-1$ is just the identity map we see that we get $xcircsigma$. What happens we do the second projection? We are looking at the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_2Spec(overlinek)$$
which gives us $sigma^-1circ sigma=1$. Thus, we see that the composition in $(1)$ is $(xcircsigma,1)$ as desired!
Let's do a concrete example. Let's take $X=mathbbA^1_k$. Then, the map $sigma:X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map corresponding to the ring map $overlinek[x]to overlinek[x]$ defined by sending
$$sum_i a_i x^imapsto sum_i sigma(a_i)x^i$$
The points of $X_overlinek$ come in two forms:
- The closed ideals $(x-alpha)$ for $alphain k$.
- The generic point $(0)$.
It's then clear that $sigma$ sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ (recall that the induced map on $Spec$ is by pullback! See the remark below) and sends the generic point to itself. That's what it looks like topologically. Let's think about what the action of $sigma$ looks like on $overlinek$-points.
If we take an $overlinek$-point corresponding to the map (thinking of $X(overlinek)$ as $mathrmHom_k(Spec(overlinek),X)$)
$$x:k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto p(alpha)$$
then $sigma(x)$, on the level of ring maps, is apply $sigma$ as a poscomposition:
$$sigma(x):k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto sigma(p(alpha))=p(sigma(alpha)$$
where last commutation was because $p(x)in k[x]$. Let's now think about the same situation in the second presentation $X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_overlinek(Spec(overlinek)),Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek))$. Our point $x$ above now corresponds to ring $overlinek$-algebra map
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto q(alpha)$$
If we just postcompose this ring map with $sigma$ we get
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto sigma(q(alpha))$$
which is NOT the desired map sending $q(x)mapsto q(sigma(alpha))$ since $q$ doesn't have rational coefficients. But, if we apply the map $sigma_X^-1$ (where I'm using the subscript $X$ to not confuse it with $sigma$ on $overlinek$) on $X_overlinek$ this has the effect of applying $sigma^-1$ to the coefficients of $q(x)$. So then, you can see that
$$sigma(sigma_X^-1(q)(alpha))=q(sigma(alpha))$$
yay!
Hopefully this all makes sense.
NB: Depending on the author one can take the action on $Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ to be what I have called $sigma^-1$. This has a couple nice effects:
- It's action geometrically is more intuitive (e.g. instead of sending $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ it sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma(alpha))$).
- It's a left action (opposed to a right action).
- In $(1)$ above the inclusion of $sigma^-1$ on $X_overlinek$ might be jarring, and so if we use this alternative convention we'd just have $sigma$. I actually like it the way it is because it reminds me of representation theory where if $V$ and $W$ are representations of some $G$ then $mathrmHom(V,W)$ is a representation of $G$ by $(gcdot f)(v)=g(f(g^-1(v))$.
It's one downside is that ring theoretically it's less natural since then its action on $aotimesalphain Aotimes_koverlinek$ is $aotimessigma^-1(alpha)$. Either convention is OK--nothing changes theory wise--it's just something you have to pay attention/be consistent about.
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$newcommandSpecmathrmSpec$Let $X$ be a scheme over $k$. Note that $X_overlinek=Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek)$. So, to give a morphism $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ it suffices to give maps of $k$-schemes $Xto X$ and $mathrmSpec(overlinek)tomathrmSpec(overlinek)$. If $sigmainmathrmGal(overlinek/k)$ then declare that the action of $sigma$ on $X$ is trivial and that the action of $sigma$ on $mathrmSpec(overlinek)$ is the one induced from the $k$-algebra map $overlinektooverlinek$. The induced map $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map $sigma$. Since it's a map of schemes, it's also a map of topological space (read the remark at the end of the post to see a different convention).
If $X=mathrmSpec(A)$ then $X_overlinek=mathrmSpec(Atimes_k overlinek)$ and $sigma$ is the map of schemes $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ corresponding to the ring map $Aotimes_k overlinekto Aotimes_k overlinek$ given by $aotimes alphamapsto aotimes sigma(alpha)$. Covering $X$ by affines with $k$-rational gluing data allows you to bootstrap this concrete understanding of the map to the general case.
How does this relate to the action on $X(overlinek)$? Note that
$$X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
The action on the first presentation of $X(overlinek)$ is to take $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and then $sigma(x)$ is defined to be the composition
$$mathrmSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowxX$$
where, again, the first map $sigma$ is that induced by the ring map $sigma:overlinektooverlinek$. What is the action then on the second presentation of $X(overlinek)$? It can't clearly be the same idea that for $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ we just precompose by $sigma$ since that won't be a morphism over $Spec(overlinek)$. What's true is that $sigma(y)$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowyXtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)qquad (1)$$
To convince ourselves of this, we need to remind ourselves how the identification
$$mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
works. It takes an $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and maps to $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ which, written in coordinates, is the map $(x,mathrmid)$. So, we see that $sigma(y)$ should just be $(xcircsigma,1)$. Let's now think about the composition in $(1)$ looks like when written in coordinates. The projection to $X$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_1X$$
Since $p_1circsigma^-1$ is just the identity map we see that we get $xcircsigma$. What happens we do the second projection? We are looking at the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_2Spec(overlinek)$$
which gives us $sigma^-1circ sigma=1$. Thus, we see that the composition in $(1)$ is $(xcircsigma,1)$ as desired!
Let's do a concrete example. Let's take $X=mathbbA^1_k$. Then, the map $sigma:X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map corresponding to the ring map $overlinek[x]to overlinek[x]$ defined by sending
$$sum_i a_i x^imapsto sum_i sigma(a_i)x^i$$
The points of $X_overlinek$ come in two forms:
- The closed ideals $(x-alpha)$ for $alphain k$.
- The generic point $(0)$.
It's then clear that $sigma$ sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ (recall that the induced map on $Spec$ is by pullback! See the remark below) and sends the generic point to itself. That's what it looks like topologically. Let's think about what the action of $sigma$ looks like on $overlinek$-points.
If we take an $overlinek$-point corresponding to the map (thinking of $X(overlinek)$ as $mathrmHom_k(Spec(overlinek),X)$)
$$x:k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto p(alpha)$$
then $sigma(x)$, on the level of ring maps, is apply $sigma$ as a poscomposition:
$$sigma(x):k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto sigma(p(alpha))=p(sigma(alpha)$$
where last commutation was because $p(x)in k[x]$. Let's now think about the same situation in the second presentation $X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_overlinek(Spec(overlinek)),Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek))$. Our point $x$ above now corresponds to ring $overlinek$-algebra map
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto q(alpha)$$
If we just postcompose this ring map with $sigma$ we get
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto sigma(q(alpha))$$
which is NOT the desired map sending $q(x)mapsto q(sigma(alpha))$ since $q$ doesn't have rational coefficients. But, if we apply the map $sigma_X^-1$ (where I'm using the subscript $X$ to not confuse it with $sigma$ on $overlinek$) on $X_overlinek$ this has the effect of applying $sigma^-1$ to the coefficients of $q(x)$. So then, you can see that
$$sigma(sigma_X^-1(q)(alpha))=q(sigma(alpha))$$
yay!
Hopefully this all makes sense.
NB: Depending on the author one can take the action on $Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ to be what I have called $sigma^-1$. This has a couple nice effects:
- It's action geometrically is more intuitive (e.g. instead of sending $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ it sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma(alpha))$).
- It's a left action (opposed to a right action).
- In $(1)$ above the inclusion of $sigma^-1$ on $X_overlinek$ might be jarring, and so if we use this alternative convention we'd just have $sigma$. I actually like it the way it is because it reminds me of representation theory where if $V$ and $W$ are representations of some $G$ then $mathrmHom(V,W)$ is a representation of $G$ by $(gcdot f)(v)=g(f(g^-1(v))$.
It's one downside is that ring theoretically it's less natural since then its action on $aotimesalphain Aotimes_koverlinek$ is $aotimessigma^-1(alpha)$. Either convention is OK--nothing changes theory wise--it's just something you have to pay attention/be consistent about.
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$newcommandSpecmathrmSpec$Let $X$ be a scheme over $k$. Note that $X_overlinek=Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek)$. So, to give a morphism $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ it suffices to give maps of $k$-schemes $Xto X$ and $mathrmSpec(overlinek)tomathrmSpec(overlinek)$. If $sigmainmathrmGal(overlinek/k)$ then declare that the action of $sigma$ on $X$ is trivial and that the action of $sigma$ on $mathrmSpec(overlinek)$ is the one induced from the $k$-algebra map $overlinektooverlinek$. The induced map $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map $sigma$. Since it's a map of schemes, it's also a map of topological space (read the remark at the end of the post to see a different convention).
If $X=mathrmSpec(A)$ then $X_overlinek=mathrmSpec(Atimes_k overlinek)$ and $sigma$ is the map of schemes $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ corresponding to the ring map $Aotimes_k overlinekto Aotimes_k overlinek$ given by $aotimes alphamapsto aotimes sigma(alpha)$. Covering $X$ by affines with $k$-rational gluing data allows you to bootstrap this concrete understanding of the map to the general case.
How does this relate to the action on $X(overlinek)$? Note that
$$X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
The action on the first presentation of $X(overlinek)$ is to take $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and then $sigma(x)$ is defined to be the composition
$$mathrmSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowxX$$
where, again, the first map $sigma$ is that induced by the ring map $sigma:overlinektooverlinek$. What is the action then on the second presentation of $X(overlinek)$? It can't clearly be the same idea that for $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ we just precompose by $sigma$ since that won't be a morphism over $Spec(overlinek)$. What's true is that $sigma(y)$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowyXtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)qquad (1)$$
To convince ourselves of this, we need to remind ourselves how the identification
$$mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
works. It takes an $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and maps to $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ which, written in coordinates, is the map $(x,mathrmid)$. So, we see that $sigma(y)$ should just be $(xcircsigma,1)$. Let's now think about the composition in $(1)$ looks like when written in coordinates. The projection to $X$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_1X$$
Since $p_1circsigma^-1$ is just the identity map we see that we get $xcircsigma$. What happens we do the second projection? We are looking at the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_2Spec(overlinek)$$
which gives us $sigma^-1circ sigma=1$. Thus, we see that the composition in $(1)$ is $(xcircsigma,1)$ as desired!
Let's do a concrete example. Let's take $X=mathbbA^1_k$. Then, the map $sigma:X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map corresponding to the ring map $overlinek[x]to overlinek[x]$ defined by sending
$$sum_i a_i x^imapsto sum_i sigma(a_i)x^i$$
The points of $X_overlinek$ come in two forms:
- The closed ideals $(x-alpha)$ for $alphain k$.
- The generic point $(0)$.
It's then clear that $sigma$ sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ (recall that the induced map on $Spec$ is by pullback! See the remark below) and sends the generic point to itself. That's what it looks like topologically. Let's think about what the action of $sigma$ looks like on $overlinek$-points.
If we take an $overlinek$-point corresponding to the map (thinking of $X(overlinek)$ as $mathrmHom_k(Spec(overlinek),X)$)
$$x:k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto p(alpha)$$
then $sigma(x)$, on the level of ring maps, is apply $sigma$ as a poscomposition:
$$sigma(x):k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto sigma(p(alpha))=p(sigma(alpha)$$
where last commutation was because $p(x)in k[x]$. Let's now think about the same situation in the second presentation $X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_overlinek(Spec(overlinek)),Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek))$. Our point $x$ above now corresponds to ring $overlinek$-algebra map
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto q(alpha)$$
If we just postcompose this ring map with $sigma$ we get
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto sigma(q(alpha))$$
which is NOT the desired map sending $q(x)mapsto q(sigma(alpha))$ since $q$ doesn't have rational coefficients. But, if we apply the map $sigma_X^-1$ (where I'm using the subscript $X$ to not confuse it with $sigma$ on $overlinek$) on $X_overlinek$ this has the effect of applying $sigma^-1$ to the coefficients of $q(x)$. So then, you can see that
$$sigma(sigma_X^-1(q)(alpha))=q(sigma(alpha))$$
yay!
Hopefully this all makes sense.
NB: Depending on the author one can take the action on $Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ to be what I have called $sigma^-1$. This has a couple nice effects:
- It's action geometrically is more intuitive (e.g. instead of sending $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ it sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma(alpha))$).
- It's a left action (opposed to a right action).
- In $(1)$ above the inclusion of $sigma^-1$ on $X_overlinek$ might be jarring, and so if we use this alternative convention we'd just have $sigma$. I actually like it the way it is because it reminds me of representation theory where if $V$ and $W$ are representations of some $G$ then $mathrmHom(V,W)$ is a representation of $G$ by $(gcdot f)(v)=g(f(g^-1(v))$.
It's one downside is that ring theoretically it's less natural since then its action on $aotimesalphain Aotimes_koverlinek$ is $aotimessigma^-1(alpha)$. Either convention is OK--nothing changes theory wise--it's just something you have to pay attention/be consistent about.
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$newcommandSpecmathrmSpec$Let $X$ be a scheme over $k$. Note that $X_overlinek=Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek)$. So, to give a morphism $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ it suffices to give maps of $k$-schemes $Xto X$ and $mathrmSpec(overlinek)tomathrmSpec(overlinek)$. If $sigmainmathrmGal(overlinek/k)$ then declare that the action of $sigma$ on $X$ is trivial and that the action of $sigma$ on $mathrmSpec(overlinek)$ is the one induced from the $k$-algebra map $overlinektooverlinek$. The induced map $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map $sigma$. Since it's a map of schemes, it's also a map of topological space (read the remark at the end of the post to see a different convention).
If $X=mathrmSpec(A)$ then $X_overlinek=mathrmSpec(Atimes_k overlinek)$ and $sigma$ is the map of schemes $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ corresponding to the ring map $Aotimes_k overlinekto Aotimes_k overlinek$ given by $aotimes alphamapsto aotimes sigma(alpha)$. Covering $X$ by affines with $k$-rational gluing data allows you to bootstrap this concrete understanding of the map to the general case.
How does this relate to the action on $X(overlinek)$? Note that
$$X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
The action on the first presentation of $X(overlinek)$ is to take $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and then $sigma(x)$ is defined to be the composition
$$mathrmSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowxX$$
where, again, the first map $sigma$ is that induced by the ring map $sigma:overlinektooverlinek$. What is the action then on the second presentation of $X(overlinek)$? It can't clearly be the same idea that for $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ we just precompose by $sigma$ since that won't be a morphism over $Spec(overlinek)$. What's true is that $sigma(y)$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowyXtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)qquad (1)$$
To convince ourselves of this, we need to remind ourselves how the identification
$$mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
works. It takes an $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and maps to $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ which, written in coordinates, is the map $(x,mathrmid)$. So, we see that $sigma(y)$ should just be $(xcircsigma,1)$. Let's now think about the composition in $(1)$ looks like when written in coordinates. The projection to $X$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_1X$$
Since $p_1circsigma^-1$ is just the identity map we see that we get $xcircsigma$. What happens we do the second projection? We are looking at the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_2Spec(overlinek)$$
which gives us $sigma^-1circ sigma=1$. Thus, we see that the composition in $(1)$ is $(xcircsigma,1)$ as desired!
Let's do a concrete example. Let's take $X=mathbbA^1_k$. Then, the map $sigma:X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map corresponding to the ring map $overlinek[x]to overlinek[x]$ defined by sending
$$sum_i a_i x^imapsto sum_i sigma(a_i)x^i$$
The points of $X_overlinek$ come in two forms:
- The closed ideals $(x-alpha)$ for $alphain k$.
- The generic point $(0)$.
It's then clear that $sigma$ sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ (recall that the induced map on $Spec$ is by pullback! See the remark below) and sends the generic point to itself. That's what it looks like topologically. Let's think about what the action of $sigma$ looks like on $overlinek$-points.
If we take an $overlinek$-point corresponding to the map (thinking of $X(overlinek)$ as $mathrmHom_k(Spec(overlinek),X)$)
$$x:k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto p(alpha)$$
then $sigma(x)$, on the level of ring maps, is apply $sigma$ as a poscomposition:
$$sigma(x):k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto sigma(p(alpha))=p(sigma(alpha)$$
where last commutation was because $p(x)in k[x]$. Let's now think about the same situation in the second presentation $X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_overlinek(Spec(overlinek)),Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek))$. Our point $x$ above now corresponds to ring $overlinek$-algebra map
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto q(alpha)$$
If we just postcompose this ring map with $sigma$ we get
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto sigma(q(alpha))$$
which is NOT the desired map sending $q(x)mapsto q(sigma(alpha))$ since $q$ doesn't have rational coefficients. But, if we apply the map $sigma_X^-1$ (where I'm using the subscript $X$ to not confuse it with $sigma$ on $overlinek$) on $X_overlinek$ this has the effect of applying $sigma^-1$ to the coefficients of $q(x)$. So then, you can see that
$$sigma(sigma_X^-1(q)(alpha))=q(sigma(alpha))$$
yay!
Hopefully this all makes sense.
NB: Depending on the author one can take the action on $Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ to be what I have called $sigma^-1$. This has a couple nice effects:
- It's action geometrically is more intuitive (e.g. instead of sending $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ it sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma(alpha))$).
- It's a left action (opposed to a right action).
- In $(1)$ above the inclusion of $sigma^-1$ on $X_overlinek$ might be jarring, and so if we use this alternative convention we'd just have $sigma$. I actually like it the way it is because it reminds me of representation theory where if $V$ and $W$ are representations of some $G$ then $mathrmHom(V,W)$ is a representation of $G$ by $(gcdot f)(v)=g(f(g^-1(v))$.
It's one downside is that ring theoretically it's less natural since then its action on $aotimesalphain Aotimes_koverlinek$ is $aotimessigma^-1(alpha)$. Either convention is OK--nothing changes theory wise--it's just something you have to pay attention/be consistent about.
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$newcommandSpecmathrmSpec$Let $X$ be a scheme over $k$. Note that $X_overlinek=Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek)$. So, to give a morphism $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ it suffices to give maps of $k$-schemes $Xto X$ and $mathrmSpec(overlinek)tomathrmSpec(overlinek)$. If $sigmainmathrmGal(overlinek/k)$ then declare that the action of $sigma$ on $X$ is trivial and that the action of $sigma$ on $mathrmSpec(overlinek)$ is the one induced from the $k$-algebra map $overlinektooverlinek$. The induced map $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map $sigma$. Since it's a map of schemes, it's also a map of topological space (read the remark at the end of the post to see a different convention).
If $X=mathrmSpec(A)$ then $X_overlinek=mathrmSpec(Atimes_k overlinek)$ and $sigma$ is the map of schemes $X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ corresponding to the ring map $Aotimes_k overlinekto Aotimes_k overlinek$ given by $aotimes alphamapsto aotimes sigma(alpha)$. Covering $X$ by affines with $k$-rational gluing data allows you to bootstrap this concrete understanding of the map to the general case.
How does this relate to the action on $X(overlinek)$? Note that
$$X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
The action on the first presentation of $X(overlinek)$ is to take $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and then $sigma(x)$ is defined to be the composition
$$mathrmSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowxX$$
where, again, the first map $sigma$ is that induced by the ring map $sigma:overlinektooverlinek$. What is the action then on the second presentation of $X(overlinek)$? It can't clearly be the same idea that for $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ we just precompose by $sigma$ since that won't be a morphism over $Spec(overlinek)$. What's true is that $sigma(y)$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrowyXtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)qquad (1)$$
To convince ourselves of this, we need to remind ourselves how the identification
$$mathrmHom_k(mathrmSpec(overlinek),X)=mathrmHom_mathrmSpec(overlinek)(mathrmSpec(overlinek),Xtimes_mathrmSpec(k)mathrmSpec(overlinek))$$
works. It takes an $x:Spec(overlinek)to X$ and maps to $y:Spec(overlinek)to Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ which, written in coordinates, is the map $(x,mathrmid)$. So, we see that $sigma(y)$ should just be $(xcircsigma,1)$. Let's now think about the composition in $(1)$ looks like when written in coordinates. The projection to $X$ is the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_1X$$
Since $p_1circsigma^-1$ is just the identity map we see that we get $xcircsigma$. What happens we do the second projection? We are looking at the composition
$$Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigmaSpec(overlinek)xrightarrow(x,1)Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowsigma^-1Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)xrightarrowp_2Spec(overlinek)$$
which gives us $sigma^-1circ sigma=1$. Thus, we see that the composition in $(1)$ is $(xcircsigma,1)$ as desired!
Let's do a concrete example. Let's take $X=mathbbA^1_k$. Then, the map $sigma:X_overlinekto X_overlinek$ is the map corresponding to the ring map $overlinek[x]to overlinek[x]$ defined by sending
$$sum_i a_i x^imapsto sum_i sigma(a_i)x^i$$
The points of $X_overlinek$ come in two forms:
- The closed ideals $(x-alpha)$ for $alphain k$.
- The generic point $(0)$.
It's then clear that $sigma$ sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ (recall that the induced map on $Spec$ is by pullback! See the remark below) and sends the generic point to itself. That's what it looks like topologically. Let's think about what the action of $sigma$ looks like on $overlinek$-points.
If we take an $overlinek$-point corresponding to the map (thinking of $X(overlinek)$ as $mathrmHom_k(Spec(overlinek),X)$)
$$x:k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto p(alpha)$$
then $sigma(x)$, on the level of ring maps, is apply $sigma$ as a poscomposition:
$$sigma(x):k[x]to overlinek:p(x)mapsto sigma(p(alpha))=p(sigma(alpha)$$
where last commutation was because $p(x)in k[x]$. Let's now think about the same situation in the second presentation $X(overlinek)=mathrmHom_overlinek(Spec(overlinek)),Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek))$. Our point $x$ above now corresponds to ring $overlinek$-algebra map
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto q(alpha)$$
If we just postcompose this ring map with $sigma$ we get
$$overlinek[x]to overlinek:q(x)mapsto sigma(q(alpha))$$
which is NOT the desired map sending $q(x)mapsto q(sigma(alpha))$ since $q$ doesn't have rational coefficients. But, if we apply the map $sigma_X^-1$ (where I'm using the subscript $X$ to not confuse it with $sigma$ on $overlinek$) on $X_overlinek$ this has the effect of applying $sigma^-1$ to the coefficients of $q(x)$. So then, you can see that
$$sigma(sigma_X^-1(q)(alpha))=q(sigma(alpha))$$
yay!
Hopefully this all makes sense.
NB: Depending on the author one can take the action on $Xtimes_Spec(k)Spec(overlinek)$ to be what I have called $sigma^-1$. This has a couple nice effects:
- It's action geometrically is more intuitive (e.g. instead of sending $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma^-1(alpha))$ it sends $(x-alpha)$ to $(x-sigma(alpha))$).
- It's a left action (opposed to a right action).
- In $(1)$ above the inclusion of $sigma^-1$ on $X_overlinek$ might be jarring, and so if we use this alternative convention we'd just have $sigma$. I actually like it the way it is because it reminds me of representation theory where if $V$ and $W$ are representations of some $G$ then $mathrmHom(V,W)$ is a representation of $G$ by $(gcdot f)(v)=g(f(g^-1(v))$.
It's one downside is that ring theoretically it's less natural since then its action on $aotimesalphain Aotimes_koverlinek$ is $aotimessigma^-1(alpha)$. Either convention is OK--nothing changes theory wise--it's just something you have to pay attention/be consistent about.
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Why don't you think the action on affine subsets of the form $operatornameSpec Aotimes_koverlinek$ is enough? These cover the entirety of $overlineG$, and that gets you every point.
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– KReiser
Mar 10 at 23:52
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@KReiser: yes yes, I think that I got it. Indeed, Section b. Prop. 1.13 from Minlne's "Algebraic Group" provides a much stronger statement: if $k subset k'$ any field extension such that $G(k')$ is dense in $G$ then every morphism $G to H$ is iniquely determined by $k'$-valued points.
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:10
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@KReiser: Additionally, yes, I have overseen that topologically we have already $|bar G| = barG(barK)$. This is true by Hilbert's Nullstellensatz, right? I mean more precisely it's corollary that every extension $ k subset k(x)$ for $ x in G$ is finite...
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– KarlPeter
Mar 11 at 14:16