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Does the Symmetric difference operator define a group on the powerset of a set?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Proof that the $(mathcal P (mathbb N),triangle)$ is an abelian group?A group that needs to be proven by definition?Finding the type of algebraic structure formed by the given types of setRing structure on power set of a set.abelian finite groups - basicLet $G$ be an abelian group. Define $G^n=lbrace g^n :g in G rbrace$. Show that $G^n$ is a group.a powerset define a group?The group of pure/hereditary setsGroup operation $G,times_21$ with the set set $G=3,6,9,12,15,18$Why don't we need to check for associativity for a subgroup?Does the set operation define a binary operation on G?Find a binary operation on a set of $5$ elements satisfying certain conditions and which does not define a groupDoes this set with this operation define a group?Ring structure on power set of a set.
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$G$ is the set of all subsets of a set $A$, under the operation of $triangle;$: Symmetric Difference of sets.
$A$ has at least two different elements.
I need to check if this is a group, and if it does to show if the group is abelian and/or finite.
Associativity - easy from Symmetric Difference.
Identity element - empty group.
Inverse element - each element is inverse to itself.
Am I right?
abelian?
finite?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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$G$ is the set of all subsets of a set $A$, under the operation of $triangle;$: Symmetric Difference of sets.
$A$ has at least two different elements.
I need to check if this is a group, and if it does to show if the group is abelian and/or finite.
Associativity - easy from Symmetric Difference.
Identity element - empty group.
Inverse element - each element is inverse to itself.
Am I right?
abelian?
finite?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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You are correct.
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Dec 30 '12 at 16:24
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Welcome to MSE. You might consider using more specific, helpful question titles. See this post. For example, for this question your title could be "Is the symmetric difference a group operation?"
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$G$ is the set of all subsets of a set $A$, under the operation of $triangle;$: Symmetric Difference of sets.
$A$ has at least two different elements.
I need to check if this is a group, and if it does to show if the group is abelian and/or finite.
Associativity - easy from Symmetric Difference.
Identity element - empty group.
Inverse element - each element is inverse to itself.
Am I right?
abelian?
finite?
abstract-algebra group-theory
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$G$ is the set of all subsets of a set $A$, under the operation of $triangle;$: Symmetric Difference of sets.
$A$ has at least two different elements.
I need to check if this is a group, and if it does to show if the group is abelian and/or finite.
Associativity - easy from Symmetric Difference.
Identity element - empty group.
Inverse element - each element is inverse to itself.
Am I right?
abelian?
finite?
abstract-algebra group-theory
abstract-algebra group-theory
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You are correct.
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Welcome to MSE. You might consider using more specific, helpful question titles. See this post. For example, for this question your title could be "Is the symmetric difference a group operation?"
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You are correct.
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– Calvin Lin
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Welcome to MSE. You might consider using more specific, helpful question titles. See this post. For example, for this question your title could be "Is the symmetric difference a group operation?"
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– William DeMeo
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You are correct.
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– Calvin Lin
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You are correct.
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– Calvin Lin
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Welcome to MSE. You might consider using more specific, helpful question titles. See this post. For example, for this question your title could be "Is the symmetric difference a group operation?"
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Welcome to MSE. You might consider using more specific, helpful question titles. See this post. For example, for this question your title could be "Is the symmetric difference a group operation?"
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First to get clear about the set $G$: it is the set of all subsets of a set $A$. (So the elements of $G$ are sets.) And by definition, $G$ is therefore the powerset of $A$, denoted $G =mathcalP(A))$. So $|G| = 2^$, which is finite if and only if $|A|$ is finite, and is infinite otherwise.
The operation on the sets $g_1, g_2 in G$ is the symmetric difference of $;g_1;$ and $;g_2;$ which we'll denote as $;g_1;triangle;g_2;$ and is defined as the set of elements which are in either of the sets but not in their intersection: $;g_1;triangle;g_2 ;= ;(g_1cup g_2) - (g_1 cap g_2)tag1$
Hence, the symmetric difference $g_i ;triangle; g_j in G;$ for all $;g_i, g_j in G$. ($G$ is the set of ALL subsets of $A$, so it must include any possible set resulting from symmetric difference between any arbitrary sets in $G$, which are also subsets of $A$). That is we have now established, that the symmetric difference is closed on $G$.
The power set $G$ of any set $A$ becomes an abelian group under the operation of symmetric difference:
Why abelian? Easy to justify, just use the definition in $(1)$ above: it's defined in a way that $g_1 triangle g_2$ means exactly the same set as $g_2 triangle g_1$, for any two $g in G$.
As you note, the symmetric difference on $G$ is associative, which can be shown using the definition in $(1)$, by showing for any $f, g, h in G, (f; triangle; g) triangle ;h = f;triangle; (g ;triangle; h)$.
The empty set is the identity of the group (it would be good to justify this this, too), and
every element in this group is its own inverse. (Can you justify this, as well? Just show for any $g_i in G, g_i;triangle ; g_i = varnothing$).
The justifications for these properties is very straightforward, but good to include for a proof that the symmetric difference, together with the set $G$ as defined, form an abelian group.
So, you've covered most of the bases, but you simply want to confirm/note the closure of the symmetric difference operation on $G$ and why, add a bit of justification for the identity and inverse claims, and to address whether, or when, $G$ is finite/infinite: this last point being that the order of $G$ depends on the cardinality of $A$.
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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This is intended to be a comment to amWhy's answer. However, my comment is too long to fit in the comment box, plus I suspect my comment might be of sufficient interest to some people here to warrant a more public display.
Carolyn Bean (reference below) proved a number of interesting group-theoretic results related to the symmetric difference operation, a few of which I will state here. Let $X$ be a fixed set and let $cal P(X)$ be the set of all subsets of $X.$ Bean proved that $Delta$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A*B subseteq A cup B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Define the co-symmetric difference operation $nabla$ on $cal P(X)$ by $A nabla B = X - (A Delta B)$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Then one can show that $left(,cal P(X),;nablaright)$ is also an abelian group. Bean proved that $nabla$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A cap B subseteq A*B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Bean additionally proved that $left(,cal P(X),;Delta,;capright)$ and $left(,cal P(X),;nabla,;cupright)$ are isomorphic commutative rings with identity.
Carolyn Bean, Group operations on the power set, Journal of Undergraduate Mathematics 8 #1 (March 1976), 13-17.
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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You should also mention that $g_1,g_2in G$ then so is $g_1*g_2$ but other than that it looks OK to me.
Regarding being finite - you should know that if $A$ is finite and have $n$ elements then there are $2^n$ subsets of $A$ (or give any other argument to show that your group is finite).
If $A$ is infinite then there are infinite singeltons hence your group is also infinite.
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First to get clear about the set $G$: it is the set of all subsets of a set $A$. (So the elements of $G$ are sets.) And by definition, $G$ is therefore the powerset of $A$, denoted $G =mathcalP(A))$. So $|G| = 2^$, which is finite if and only if $|A|$ is finite, and is infinite otherwise.
The operation on the sets $g_1, g_2 in G$ is the symmetric difference of $;g_1;$ and $;g_2;$ which we'll denote as $;g_1;triangle;g_2;$ and is defined as the set of elements which are in either of the sets but not in their intersection: $;g_1;triangle;g_2 ;= ;(g_1cup g_2) - (g_1 cap g_2)tag1$
Hence, the symmetric difference $g_i ;triangle; g_j in G;$ for all $;g_i, g_j in G$. ($G$ is the set of ALL subsets of $A$, so it must include any possible set resulting from symmetric difference between any arbitrary sets in $G$, which are also subsets of $A$). That is we have now established, that the symmetric difference is closed on $G$.
The power set $G$ of any set $A$ becomes an abelian group under the operation of symmetric difference:
Why abelian? Easy to justify, just use the definition in $(1)$ above: it's defined in a way that $g_1 triangle g_2$ means exactly the same set as $g_2 triangle g_1$, for any two $g in G$.
As you note, the symmetric difference on $G$ is associative, which can be shown using the definition in $(1)$, by showing for any $f, g, h in G, (f; triangle; g) triangle ;h = f;triangle; (g ;triangle; h)$.
The empty set is the identity of the group (it would be good to justify this this, too), and
every element in this group is its own inverse. (Can you justify this, as well? Just show for any $g_i in G, g_i;triangle ; g_i = varnothing$).
The justifications for these properties is very straightforward, but good to include for a proof that the symmetric difference, together with the set $G$ as defined, form an abelian group.
So, you've covered most of the bases, but you simply want to confirm/note the closure of the symmetric difference operation on $G$ and why, add a bit of justification for the identity and inverse claims, and to address whether, or when, $G$ is finite/infinite: this last point being that the order of $G$ depends on the cardinality of $A$.
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
Dec 30 '12 at 19:34
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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First to get clear about the set $G$: it is the set of all subsets of a set $A$. (So the elements of $G$ are sets.) And by definition, $G$ is therefore the powerset of $A$, denoted $G =mathcalP(A))$. So $|G| = 2^$, which is finite if and only if $|A|$ is finite, and is infinite otherwise.
The operation on the sets $g_1, g_2 in G$ is the symmetric difference of $;g_1;$ and $;g_2;$ which we'll denote as $;g_1;triangle;g_2;$ and is defined as the set of elements which are in either of the sets but not in their intersection: $;g_1;triangle;g_2 ;= ;(g_1cup g_2) - (g_1 cap g_2)tag1$
Hence, the symmetric difference $g_i ;triangle; g_j in G;$ for all $;g_i, g_j in G$. ($G$ is the set of ALL subsets of $A$, so it must include any possible set resulting from symmetric difference between any arbitrary sets in $G$, which are also subsets of $A$). That is we have now established, that the symmetric difference is closed on $G$.
The power set $G$ of any set $A$ becomes an abelian group under the operation of symmetric difference:
Why abelian? Easy to justify, just use the definition in $(1)$ above: it's defined in a way that $g_1 triangle g_2$ means exactly the same set as $g_2 triangle g_1$, for any two $g in G$.
As you note, the symmetric difference on $G$ is associative, which can be shown using the definition in $(1)$, by showing for any $f, g, h in G, (f; triangle; g) triangle ;h = f;triangle; (g ;triangle; h)$.
The empty set is the identity of the group (it would be good to justify this this, too), and
every element in this group is its own inverse. (Can you justify this, as well? Just show for any $g_i in G, g_i;triangle ; g_i = varnothing$).
The justifications for these properties is very straightforward, but good to include for a proof that the symmetric difference, together with the set $G$ as defined, form an abelian group.
So, you've covered most of the bases, but you simply want to confirm/note the closure of the symmetric difference operation on $G$ and why, add a bit of justification for the identity and inverse claims, and to address whether, or when, $G$ is finite/infinite: this last point being that the order of $G$ depends on the cardinality of $A$.
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
Dec 30 '12 at 19:34
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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– андрэ
Sep 23 '17 at 15:38
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First to get clear about the set $G$: it is the set of all subsets of a set $A$. (So the elements of $G$ are sets.) And by definition, $G$ is therefore the powerset of $A$, denoted $G =mathcalP(A))$. So $|G| = 2^$, which is finite if and only if $|A|$ is finite, and is infinite otherwise.
The operation on the sets $g_1, g_2 in G$ is the symmetric difference of $;g_1;$ and $;g_2;$ which we'll denote as $;g_1;triangle;g_2;$ and is defined as the set of elements which are in either of the sets but not in their intersection: $;g_1;triangle;g_2 ;= ;(g_1cup g_2) - (g_1 cap g_2)tag1$
Hence, the symmetric difference $g_i ;triangle; g_j in G;$ for all $;g_i, g_j in G$. ($G$ is the set of ALL subsets of $A$, so it must include any possible set resulting from symmetric difference between any arbitrary sets in $G$, which are also subsets of $A$). That is we have now established, that the symmetric difference is closed on $G$.
The power set $G$ of any set $A$ becomes an abelian group under the operation of symmetric difference:
Why abelian? Easy to justify, just use the definition in $(1)$ above: it's defined in a way that $g_1 triangle g_2$ means exactly the same set as $g_2 triangle g_1$, for any two $g in G$.
As you note, the symmetric difference on $G$ is associative, which can be shown using the definition in $(1)$, by showing for any $f, g, h in G, (f; triangle; g) triangle ;h = f;triangle; (g ;triangle; h)$.
The empty set is the identity of the group (it would be good to justify this this, too), and
every element in this group is its own inverse. (Can you justify this, as well? Just show for any $g_i in G, g_i;triangle ; g_i = varnothing$).
The justifications for these properties is very straightforward, but good to include for a proof that the symmetric difference, together with the set $G$ as defined, form an abelian group.
So, you've covered most of the bases, but you simply want to confirm/note the closure of the symmetric difference operation on $G$ and why, add a bit of justification for the identity and inverse claims, and to address whether, or when, $G$ is finite/infinite: this last point being that the order of $G$ depends on the cardinality of $A$.
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First to get clear about the set $G$: it is the set of all subsets of a set $A$. (So the elements of $G$ are sets.) And by definition, $G$ is therefore the powerset of $A$, denoted $G =mathcalP(A))$. So $|G| = 2^$, which is finite if and only if $|A|$ is finite, and is infinite otherwise.
The operation on the sets $g_1, g_2 in G$ is the symmetric difference of $;g_1;$ and $;g_2;$ which we'll denote as $;g_1;triangle;g_2;$ and is defined as the set of elements which are in either of the sets but not in their intersection: $;g_1;triangle;g_2 ;= ;(g_1cup g_2) - (g_1 cap g_2)tag1$
Hence, the symmetric difference $g_i ;triangle; g_j in G;$ for all $;g_i, g_j in G$. ($G$ is the set of ALL subsets of $A$, so it must include any possible set resulting from symmetric difference between any arbitrary sets in $G$, which are also subsets of $A$). That is we have now established, that the symmetric difference is closed on $G$.
The power set $G$ of any set $A$ becomes an abelian group under the operation of symmetric difference:
Why abelian? Easy to justify, just use the definition in $(1)$ above: it's defined in a way that $g_1 triangle g_2$ means exactly the same set as $g_2 triangle g_1$, for any two $g in G$.
As you note, the symmetric difference on $G$ is associative, which can be shown using the definition in $(1)$, by showing for any $f, g, h in G, (f; triangle; g) triangle ;h = f;triangle; (g ;triangle; h)$.
The empty set is the identity of the group (it would be good to justify this this, too), and
every element in this group is its own inverse. (Can you justify this, as well? Just show for any $g_i in G, g_i;triangle ; g_i = varnothing$).
The justifications for these properties is very straightforward, but good to include for a proof that the symmetric difference, together with the set $G$ as defined, form an abelian group.
So, you've covered most of the bases, but you simply want to confirm/note the closure of the symmetric difference operation on $G$ and why, add a bit of justification for the identity and inverse claims, and to address whether, or when, $G$ is finite/infinite: this last point being that the order of $G$ depends on the cardinality of $A$.
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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– андрэ
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
Dec 30 '12 at 19:34
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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– андрэ
Sep 23 '17 at 15:38
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
Dec 30 '12 at 19:34
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wow thank you so much!!!
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– Anna
Dec 30 '12 at 19:34
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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You're welcome, Anna!
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– Namaste
Dec 30 '12 at 19:48
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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– андрэ
Sep 23 '17 at 15:38
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If instead of the set of all subsets, we take a class of such subsets how can we guarantee the closure? In other words, my question is: given a class $C$ of subsets of a set $X$, is $(C,triangle)$ an abelian group?
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– андрэ
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This is intended to be a comment to amWhy's answer. However, my comment is too long to fit in the comment box, plus I suspect my comment might be of sufficient interest to some people here to warrant a more public display.
Carolyn Bean (reference below) proved a number of interesting group-theoretic results related to the symmetric difference operation, a few of which I will state here. Let $X$ be a fixed set and let $cal P(X)$ be the set of all subsets of $X.$ Bean proved that $Delta$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A*B subseteq A cup B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Define the co-symmetric difference operation $nabla$ on $cal P(X)$ by $A nabla B = X - (A Delta B)$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Then one can show that $left(,cal P(X),;nablaright)$ is also an abelian group. Bean proved that $nabla$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A cap B subseteq A*B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Bean additionally proved that $left(,cal P(X),;Delta,;capright)$ and $left(,cal P(X),;nabla,;cupright)$ are isomorphic commutative rings with identity.
Carolyn Bean, Group operations on the power set, Journal of Undergraduate Mathematics 8 #1 (March 1976), 13-17.
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
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This is intended to be a comment to amWhy's answer. However, my comment is too long to fit in the comment box, plus I suspect my comment might be of sufficient interest to some people here to warrant a more public display.
Carolyn Bean (reference below) proved a number of interesting group-theoretic results related to the symmetric difference operation, a few of which I will state here. Let $X$ be a fixed set and let $cal P(X)$ be the set of all subsets of $X.$ Bean proved that $Delta$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A*B subseteq A cup B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Define the co-symmetric difference operation $nabla$ on $cal P(X)$ by $A nabla B = X - (A Delta B)$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Then one can show that $left(,cal P(X),;nablaright)$ is also an abelian group. Bean proved that $nabla$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A cap B subseteq A*B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Bean additionally proved that $left(,cal P(X),;Delta,;capright)$ and $left(,cal P(X),;nabla,;cupright)$ are isomorphic commutative rings with identity.
Carolyn Bean, Group operations on the power set, Journal of Undergraduate Mathematics 8 #1 (March 1976), 13-17.
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Sep 22 '14 at 15:50
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This is intended to be a comment to amWhy's answer. However, my comment is too long to fit in the comment box, plus I suspect my comment might be of sufficient interest to some people here to warrant a more public display.
Carolyn Bean (reference below) proved a number of interesting group-theoretic results related to the symmetric difference operation, a few of which I will state here. Let $X$ be a fixed set and let $cal P(X)$ be the set of all subsets of $X.$ Bean proved that $Delta$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A*B subseteq A cup B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Define the co-symmetric difference operation $nabla$ on $cal P(X)$ by $A nabla B = X - (A Delta B)$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Then one can show that $left(,cal P(X),;nablaright)$ is also an abelian group. Bean proved that $nabla$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A cap B subseteq A*B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Bean additionally proved that $left(,cal P(X),;Delta,;capright)$ and $left(,cal P(X),;nabla,;cupright)$ are isomorphic commutative rings with identity.
Carolyn Bean, Group operations on the power set, Journal of Undergraduate Mathematics 8 #1 (March 1976), 13-17.
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This is intended to be a comment to amWhy's answer. However, my comment is too long to fit in the comment box, plus I suspect my comment might be of sufficient interest to some people here to warrant a more public display.
Carolyn Bean (reference below) proved a number of interesting group-theoretic results related to the symmetric difference operation, a few of which I will state here. Let $X$ be a fixed set and let $cal P(X)$ be the set of all subsets of $X.$ Bean proved that $Delta$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A*B subseteq A cup B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Define the co-symmetric difference operation $nabla$ on $cal P(X)$ by $A nabla B = X - (A Delta B)$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Then one can show that $left(,cal P(X),;nablaright)$ is also an abelian group. Bean proved that $nabla$ can be characterized as the unique group operation $*$ on $cal P(X)$ such that $A cap B subseteq A*B$ for all $A,$ $B in cal P(X).$ Bean additionally proved that $left(,cal P(X),;Delta,;capright)$ and $left(,cal P(X),;nabla,;cupright)$ are isomorphic commutative rings with identity.
Carolyn Bean, Group operations on the power set, Journal of Undergraduate Mathematics 8 #1 (March 1976), 13-17.
answered Jan 2 '13 at 20:48
Dave L. RenfroDave L. Renfro
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Sep 22 '14 at 15:50
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Sep 22 '14 at 15:50
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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Hi Dave, that sounds interesting, is the article available in www?
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– Sven Wirsing
Sep 21 '14 at 7:55
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Sep 22 '14 at 15:50
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@Sven Wirsing: I have not previously found it on the internet, and I looked just now and didn't find it. The is not very well known, but it's available in many U.S. libraries. FYI, I first learned about the journal in the late 1970s, well before the internet. While I'm here, you might be interested in my manuscript Exotic Group Examples that I posted (don't remember when) at Math Forum.
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– Dave L. Renfro
Sep 22 '14 at 15:50
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You should also mention that $g_1,g_2in G$ then so is $g_1*g_2$ but other than that it looks OK to me.
Regarding being finite - you should know that if $A$ is finite and have $n$ elements then there are $2^n$ subsets of $A$ (or give any other argument to show that your group is finite).
If $A$ is infinite then there are infinite singeltons hence your group is also infinite.
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You should also mention that $g_1,g_2in G$ then so is $g_1*g_2$ but other than that it looks OK to me.
Regarding being finite - you should know that if $A$ is finite and have $n$ elements then there are $2^n$ subsets of $A$ (or give any other argument to show that your group is finite).
If $A$ is infinite then there are infinite singeltons hence your group is also infinite.
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add a comment |
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You should also mention that $g_1,g_2in G$ then so is $g_1*g_2$ but other than that it looks OK to me.
Regarding being finite - you should know that if $A$ is finite and have $n$ elements then there are $2^n$ subsets of $A$ (or give any other argument to show that your group is finite).
If $A$ is infinite then there are infinite singeltons hence your group is also infinite.
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You should also mention that $g_1,g_2in G$ then so is $g_1*g_2$ but other than that it looks OK to me.
Regarding being finite - you should know that if $A$ is finite and have $n$ elements then there are $2^n$ subsets of $A$ (or give any other argument to show that your group is finite).
If $A$ is infinite then there are infinite singeltons hence your group is also infinite.
answered Dec 30 '12 at 16:26
BelgiBelgi
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