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Reduced word is uniquely written



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What does this linear system look like?Can all of them be different?How is $lbrace a_1, a_2, …, a_n : a_i in Bbb Z_2rbrace$ a group?Identity element of word additionBinary word addition; error patternHow to construct integer polynomial of degree $n$ which takes $n$ times the value $1$ and $n$ times the value $-1$ (in integer points)Free product has solvable word problem if its factors doA group $G$ is abelian if and only if a certain subset of the direct product is a subgroupAre these subgroups?Let $G=G_1times G_2$, prove $G'=G_1'times G_2'$










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Given a family of groups $G_i:iin I$ we may assume that $G_i$ are pairwise disjoint. Let $X=bigcup^_iin IG_i$ and let $1$ be one element disjoint from $X.$ A word on on $X$ is any sequence $(a_1, a_2, ...)$ such that $a_i ∈ X cup 1$ and for some $n ∈ N, a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ n.$
A word $(a_1, a_2,...)$ is reduced if:



$(a)$ no $a_i ∈ X$ is the identity element in its group $G_i;$



$(b)$ for all $i ≥ 1, a_i$ and $a_i+1$ are not in the same group $G_i;$



$(c)$ $a_k = 1$ implies $a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ k.$



In particular $1=(1,1,...,1)$ is reduced. Show that every reduced word can be written uniquely as $a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n=(a_1,a_2,...,a_n,1,1,...),$where $a_i in X.$



I dont even know if I understand definition, but here is my attempt:



Assume some word can't be written uniquely, so:



$a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n$=$b_1cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$



$b_1^-1cdot a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n = e_1 cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$.



$e_1$ is indentity element in $G_1$. Contradiction with $(a)$ point.










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    @Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
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    Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
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    $begingroup$
    (In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
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$begingroup$


Given a family of groups $G_i:iin I$ we may assume that $G_i$ are pairwise disjoint. Let $X=bigcup^_iin IG_i$ and let $1$ be one element disjoint from $X.$ A word on on $X$ is any sequence $(a_1, a_2, ...)$ such that $a_i ∈ X cup 1$ and for some $n ∈ N, a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ n.$
A word $(a_1, a_2,...)$ is reduced if:



$(a)$ no $a_i ∈ X$ is the identity element in its group $G_i;$



$(b)$ for all $i ≥ 1, a_i$ and $a_i+1$ are not in the same group $G_i;$



$(c)$ $a_k = 1$ implies $a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ k.$



In particular $1=(1,1,...,1)$ is reduced. Show that every reduced word can be written uniquely as $a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n=(a_1,a_2,...,a_n,1,1,...),$where $a_i in X.$



I dont even know if I understand definition, but here is my attempt:



Assume some word can't be written uniquely, so:



$a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n$=$b_1cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$



$b_1^-1cdot a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n = e_1 cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$.



$e_1$ is indentity element in $G_1$. Contradiction with $(a)$ point.










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  • $begingroup$
    May you can tell us where you found this problem/definition?
    $endgroup$
    – Dominik
    Mar 31 at 15:27










  • $begingroup$
    @Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
    $endgroup$
    – Toidi
    Mar 31 at 15:30






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:13







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    (In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:14













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$begingroup$


Given a family of groups $G_i:iin I$ we may assume that $G_i$ are pairwise disjoint. Let $X=bigcup^_iin IG_i$ and let $1$ be one element disjoint from $X.$ A word on on $X$ is any sequence $(a_1, a_2, ...)$ such that $a_i ∈ X cup 1$ and for some $n ∈ N, a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ n.$
A word $(a_1, a_2,...)$ is reduced if:



$(a)$ no $a_i ∈ X$ is the identity element in its group $G_i;$



$(b)$ for all $i ≥ 1, a_i$ and $a_i+1$ are not in the same group $G_i;$



$(c)$ $a_k = 1$ implies $a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ k.$



In particular $1=(1,1,...,1)$ is reduced. Show that every reduced word can be written uniquely as $a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n=(a_1,a_2,...,a_n,1,1,...),$where $a_i in X.$



I dont even know if I understand definition, but here is my attempt:



Assume some word can't be written uniquely, so:



$a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n$=$b_1cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$



$b_1^-1cdot a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n = e_1 cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$.



$e_1$ is indentity element in $G_1$. Contradiction with $(a)$ point.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




Given a family of groups $G_i:iin I$ we may assume that $G_i$ are pairwise disjoint. Let $X=bigcup^_iin IG_i$ and let $1$ be one element disjoint from $X.$ A word on on $X$ is any sequence $(a_1, a_2, ...)$ such that $a_i ∈ X cup 1$ and for some $n ∈ N, a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ n.$
A word $(a_1, a_2,...)$ is reduced if:



$(a)$ no $a_i ∈ X$ is the identity element in its group $G_i;$



$(b)$ for all $i ≥ 1, a_i$ and $a_i+1$ are not in the same group $G_i;$



$(c)$ $a_k = 1$ implies $a_i = 1$ for all $i ≥ k.$



In particular $1=(1,1,...,1)$ is reduced. Show that every reduced word can be written uniquely as $a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n=(a_1,a_2,...,a_n,1,1,...),$where $a_i in X.$



I dont even know if I understand definition, but here is my attempt:



Assume some word can't be written uniquely, so:



$a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n$=$b_1cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$



$b_1^-1cdot a_1cdot a_2 cdot ... cdot a_n = e_1 cdot b_2 cdot ... cdot b_n$.



$e_1$ is indentity element in $G_1$. Contradiction with $(a)$ point.







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  • $begingroup$
    May you can tell us where you found this problem/definition?
    $endgroup$
    – Dominik
    Mar 31 at 15:27










  • $begingroup$
    @Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
    $endgroup$
    – Toidi
    Mar 31 at 15:30






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:13







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    (In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:14
















  • $begingroup$
    May you can tell us where you found this problem/definition?
    $endgroup$
    – Dominik
    Mar 31 at 15:27










  • $begingroup$
    @Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
    $endgroup$
    – Toidi
    Mar 31 at 15:30






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:13







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    (In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
    $endgroup$
    – user1729
    Apr 2 at 11:14















$begingroup$
May you can tell us where you found this problem/definition?
$endgroup$
– Dominik
Mar 31 at 15:27




$begingroup$
May you can tell us where you found this problem/definition?
$endgroup$
– Dominik
Mar 31 at 15:27












$begingroup$
@Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
$endgroup$
– Toidi
Mar 31 at 15:30




$begingroup$
@Dominik This is problem given by my professor for homework. Why you asking?
$endgroup$
– Toidi
Mar 31 at 15:30




1




1




$begingroup$
Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
$endgroup$
– user1729
Apr 2 at 11:13





$begingroup$
Firstly, your attempt does not work, because "multiplication" has not been defined on this set. This problem looks to be setting up a "normal form" for free products of groups. It also seems to be extremely simple, and not really worthy of a proof, unless I am missing something. This is because there is no concept of "equality" in the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, apart from the one inherited via their definition. That is, by their definition, two of these sequences are equal if and only if their corresponding reduced words are equal.
$endgroup$
– user1729
Apr 2 at 11:13





1




1




$begingroup$
(In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
$endgroup$
– user1729
Apr 2 at 11:14




$begingroup$
(In summary, the question is either missing a definition of "equality" for the sequences $a_1cdot a_2cdotsldots cdot a_n$, or is elementary.)
$endgroup$
– user1729
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