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Inverse/Reverse of Number of Permutations and of Number of Combinations with Repetitions?


How to reverse the $n$ choose $k$ formula?Permutations with Repetitions, how to select $n$ and $r$How many possible combinations/permutations?Trouble with permutations and combinations problemsCombinatorics: terminology for permutations and combinationsTerminology clarification: are these permutations or combinations?Finding $n$ permutations $r$ with repetitionsCombinations and Permutations artistHow can we count combinations with repetition (or permutations) using inequality symbols between each number?Visualizing combinations with repetitions allowed.Using the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, how many 3-digit combinations can you make? Repetitions allowed.













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For an engineering application, I need the inverse functions of the computations of the number of combinations and permutations.



In the thread How to reverse the $n$ choose $k$ formula? it shows how to reverse/inverse the number of combinations function...



Given:



$X = C(n, k) = binomnk = fracn! k!(n-k)! $



then you can limit n to:



$sqrt[k]k! X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X$



And thus you at most need to check k+1 possible values of n.
Great!



But how do I solve for k instead of for n?



And given instead:



$X = P(n, k) = fracn! (n-k)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]X$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



And finally, given instead CR is Combinations with Repetitions:



$X = CR(n, k) = binomn+k-1k = binomn+k-1n-1 = frac (n+k-1)! k!(n-1)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]k! X + 1 ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X - k + 1$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



Any help on the algebra for these five related inverse functions would be greatly appreciated!










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    Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
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    Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
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$begingroup$


For an engineering application, I need the inverse functions of the computations of the number of combinations and permutations.



In the thread How to reverse the $n$ choose $k$ formula? it shows how to reverse/inverse the number of combinations function...



Given:



$X = C(n, k) = binomnk = fracn! k!(n-k)! $



then you can limit n to:



$sqrt[k]k! X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X$



And thus you at most need to check k+1 possible values of n.
Great!



But how do I solve for k instead of for n?



And given instead:



$X = P(n, k) = fracn! (n-k)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]X$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



And finally, given instead CR is Combinations with Repetitions:



$X = CR(n, k) = binomn+k-1k = binomn+k-1n-1 = frac (n+k-1)! k!(n-1)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]k! X + 1 ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X - k + 1$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



Any help on the algebra for these five related inverse functions would be greatly appreciated!










share|cite|improve this question









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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
    $endgroup$
    – Eevee Trainer
    19 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Kennedy
    11 hours ago














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$begingroup$


For an engineering application, I need the inverse functions of the computations of the number of combinations and permutations.



In the thread How to reverse the $n$ choose $k$ formula? it shows how to reverse/inverse the number of combinations function...



Given:



$X = C(n, k) = binomnk = fracn! k!(n-k)! $



then you can limit n to:



$sqrt[k]k! X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X$



And thus you at most need to check k+1 possible values of n.
Great!



But how do I solve for k instead of for n?



And given instead:



$X = P(n, k) = fracn! (n-k)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]X$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



And finally, given instead CR is Combinations with Repetitions:



$X = CR(n, k) = binomn+k-1k = binomn+k-1n-1 = frac (n+k-1)! k!(n-1)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]k! X + 1 ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X - k + 1$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



Any help on the algebra for these five related inverse functions would be greatly appreciated!










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$




For an engineering application, I need the inverse functions of the computations of the number of combinations and permutations.



In the thread How to reverse the $n$ choose $k$ formula? it shows how to reverse/inverse the number of combinations function...



Given:



$X = C(n, k) = binomnk = fracn! k!(n-k)! $



then you can limit n to:



$sqrt[k]k! X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X$



And thus you at most need to check k+1 possible values of n.
Great!



But how do I solve for k instead of for n?



And given instead:



$X = P(n, k) = fracn! (n-k)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]X + k ge n ge sqrt[k]X$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



And finally, given instead CR is Combinations with Repetitions:



$X = CR(n, k) = binomn+k-1k = binomn+k-1n-1 = frac (n+k-1)! k!(n-1)! $



then would I be correct in assuming from above that:



$sqrt[k]k! X + 1 ge n ge sqrt[k]k! X - k + 1$



? And if so, how would I then solve for k instead of n?



Any help on the algebra for these five related inverse functions would be greatly appreciated!







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    $begingroup$
    Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
    $endgroup$
    – Eevee Trainer
    19 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Kennedy
    11 hours ago













  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
    $endgroup$
    – Eevee Trainer
    19 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Kennedy
    11 hours ago








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1




$begingroup$
Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
19 hours ago




$begingroup$
Question: when we are solving for $k$, is $n$ fixed?
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
19 hours ago












$begingroup$
Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
$endgroup$
– Brian Kennedy
11 hours ago





$begingroup$
Yes, @Eevee Trainer, when solving for k, you can assume n is fixed/known.
$endgroup$
– Brian Kennedy
11 hours ago











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