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Where is the flaw in this “proof” that 1=2? (Derivative of repeated addition)


What's wrong in this equation?How to disprove this fallacy that derivatives of $x^2$ and $x+x+x+cdots (xtext times)$ are not same.A contradiction involving derivativeJust got confused with what my friend asked (paradox and fake proofs).Why $2x$? Can't it be $x$?What is wrong with this derivation of $fracddxx^2$?Proof that 2=1 using differentiationAnother $1=2$ proofA proof that $1=2$. May I know why it’s false?Funny Proof of $2=1$A contradiction involving derivativeHow to disprove this fallacy that derivatives of $x^2$ and $x+x+x+cdots (xtext times)$ are not same.Where is the flaw that led to the fallacy that $x^4 + y^4 = z^4$?Funny thing. Multiplying both the sides by 0?Flaw in proof that a functional is not continuousFake proof for “differentiability implies continuous derivative”: reviewErroneous proof that derivative tending to $infty$ implies that the function is not uniformly continuous.Finding a mistake in this 'proof' that $1 = 2$.Where is the logical flaw in solving this equation?Proof that $0=1$?













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Consider the following:



  • $1 = 1^2$

  • $2 + 2 = 2^2$

  • $3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2$

Therefore,



  • $underbracex + x + x + ldots + x_x textrm times= x^2$

Take the derivative of lhs and rhs and we get:



  • $underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_x textrm times = 2x$

Which simplifies to:



  • $x = 2x$

and hence



  • $1 = 2$.


Clearly something is wrong but I am unable pinpoint my mistake.










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    Right before taking the derivative, x was an integer, and what you did before that point only makes sense for x integer. Then you computed the derivative, and then that does not make sense.
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    @Kaestur I am not sure what you want me to do. Is there a specific name for this fake proof?
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    @Srikant: To clarify, the reason I asked that is so that people about to ask a similar question in the future may see yours come up as a suggested duplicate. Something including "derivative of 1+...+1 (x times)" would be uniquely identifying, I think. If there is a canonical name for this one, chances are people about to ask it won't know it, but will recognize that line.
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    @Kaestur I actually think retaining the title as it is written now is better as most people are more likely to write 'proof of 1 = 2' rather than some description of their proof in the title.
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Consider the following:



  • $1 = 1^2$

  • $2 + 2 = 2^2$

  • $3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2$

Therefore,



  • $underbracex + x + x + ldots + x_x textrm times= x^2$

Take the derivative of lhs and rhs and we get:



  • $underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_x textrm times = 2x$

Which simplifies to:



  • $x = 2x$

and hence



  • $1 = 2$.


Clearly something is wrong but I am unable pinpoint my mistake.










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    Right before taking the derivative, x was an integer, and what you did before that point only makes sense for x integer. Then you computed the derivative, and then that does not make sense.
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    @Srikant: To clarify, the reason I asked that is so that people about to ask a similar question in the future may see yours come up as a suggested duplicate. Something including "derivative of 1+...+1 (x times)" would be uniquely identifying, I think. If there is a canonical name for this one, chances are people about to ask it won't know it, but will recognize that line.
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    @Kaestur I actually think retaining the title as it is written now is better as most people are more likely to write 'proof of 1 = 2' rather than some description of their proof in the title.
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Consider the following:



  • $1 = 1^2$

  • $2 + 2 = 2^2$

  • $3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2$

Therefore,



  • $underbracex + x + x + ldots + x_x textrm times= x^2$

Take the derivative of lhs and rhs and we get:



  • $underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_x textrm times = 2x$

Which simplifies to:



  • $x = 2x$

and hence



  • $1 = 2$.


Clearly something is wrong but I am unable pinpoint my mistake.










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Consider the following:



  • $1 = 1^2$

  • $2 + 2 = 2^2$

  • $3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2$

Therefore,



  • $underbracex + x + x + ldots + x_x textrm times= x^2$

Take the derivative of lhs and rhs and we get:



  • $underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_x textrm times = 2x$

Which simplifies to:



  • $x = 2x$

and hence



  • $1 = 2$.


Clearly something is wrong but I am unable pinpoint my mistake.







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    Right before taking the derivative, x was an integer, and what you did before that point only makes sense for x integer. Then you computed the derivative, and then that does not make sense.
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    @Srikant: To clarify, the reason I asked that is so that people about to ask a similar question in the future may see yours come up as a suggested duplicate. Something including "derivative of 1+...+1 (x times)" would be uniquely identifying, I think. If there is a canonical name for this one, chances are people about to ask it won't know it, but will recognize that line.
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    @Kaestur I actually think retaining the title as it is written now is better as most people are more likely to write 'proof of 1 = 2' rather than some description of their proof in the title.
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    Please edit your title to make it more clear which fake proof you are asking about.
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    Right before taking the derivative, x was an integer, and what you did before that point only makes sense for x integer. Then you computed the derivative, and then that does not make sense.
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    @Srikant: To clarify, the reason I asked that is so that people about to ask a similar question in the future may see yours come up as a suggested duplicate. Something including "derivative of 1+...+1 (x times)" would be uniquely identifying, I think. If there is a canonical name for this one, chances are people about to ask it won't know it, but will recognize that line.
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Right before taking the derivative, x was an integer, and what you did before that point only makes sense for x integer. Then you computed the derivative, and then that does not make sense.
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You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x.



Even beyond that, if you can express x2 as x + x + x + ... (repeated x times), then x must be an integer and if the domain of the expression is the integers, (continuous) differentiation does not make sense and/or the derivatives do not exist.



(edit: I gave my first reason first because the second reason can be smoothed over by taking "repeated x times" to mean something like $undersetlfloor xrfloormathrm addendsunderbracex+x+cdots+x+(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$.)






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    A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
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    Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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    "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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I think the discrete/continuous issue is sort of a red herring. To me, the problem is forgetting to use the chain rule!



To un-discretize, think of the function $F(u,v) = uv$, which we could think of as $u + dots + u$, $v$ times. Then $x^2 = F(x,x)$. Differentiating both sides gives $2x = F_u(x,x) + F_v(x,x)$, which is perfectly true. In the fallacious example, the problem is essentially that the $F_v$ term has been omitted. In some sense, one has forgotten to differentiate the operation "$x$ times" with respect to $x$! Of course, the notation makes this easier to do.






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    This is a nice explanation.
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Here's my explanation from an old sci.math post:




Zachary Turner wrote on 26 Jul 2002:




Let D = d/dx = derivative wrt x. Then



D[x^2] = D[x + x + ... + x (x times)]
= D[x] + D[x] + ... + D[x] (x times)
= 1 + 1 + ... + 1 (x times)
= x



An obvious analogous fallacious argument proves both



  • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Df(x) (x times) = x Df(x)


  • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Dx (f(x) times) = f(x), via Dx = 1


vs. the correct result: their sum $rm:f(x) + x, Df(x):$
as given by the Leibniz product rule (= chain rule for times).
The error arises from overlooking the dependence upon x in both
arguments of the product $rm: x f(x):$ when applying the chain rule.



The source of the error becomes clearer if we consider a
discrete analog. This will also eliminate any tangential
concerns on the meaning of "(x times)" for non-integer x.
Namely, we consider the shift operator $rm S:, n to n+1 $ on polynomials $rm:p(n):$ with integer coefficients, where $rm:S p(n) = p(n+1).:$ Here is a similar fallacy



 S[n^2] = S[n + n + ... + n (n times)]
= S[n] + S[n] + ... + S[n] (n times)
= 1+n + 1+n + ... + 1+n (n times)
= (1+n)n


But correct is $rm S[n^2] = (n+1)^2.:$ Here the "product rule" is
$rm S[fg] = S[f], S[g], $ not $rm: S[f] g:$ as above.



The fallacy actually boils down to operator noncommutativity.
On the space of functions $rm:f(x),:$ consider "x" as the linear
operator of multiplication by x, so $rm x:, f(x) to x f(x).:$ Then
the linear operators $rm:D:$ and $rm:x:$ generate an operator algebra
of polynomials $rm:p(x,D):$ in NON-commutative indeterminates $rm:x,D:$
since we have



 (Dx)[f] = D[xf] = xD[f] + f = (xD+1)[f], so Dx = xD + 1 ≠ xD

(Sn)[f] = S[nf] = (n+1)S[f], so Sn = (n+1)S ≠ nS


This view reveals the error as mistakenly
assuming commutativity of the operators $rm:x,D:$ or $rm:n,S.$



Perhaps something to ponder on boring commutes !






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    You cannot differentiate the LHS of your equation




    $x + x + x + cdots$ (repeated $x$ times) = $x^2$




    This is because the LHS is not a continuous function; the number of terms depends on $x$ so the LHS is not well defined when $x$ is not an integer. We can only differentiate continuous functions, so this is not valid.






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      The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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    We can create the same "paradox" with finite differences over integers.



    Given $f: mathbb Z to mathbb Z$ define the "discrete derivative"
    $$
    Delta f (n)=f(n+1)-f(n)
    $$
    we have the following obvious "theorems":



    • $Delta(n)=n+1-n=1$

    • $Delta(n^2)=(n+1)^2-n^2=2n+1$

    • $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$

    • $f(n)=g(n) ; forall n quad implies quad Delta f(n)=Delta g(n) ; forall n$

    So we can start with the correct equality:



    $$
    underbracen + n + n + ldots + n_n textrm times= n^2
    $$



    and we apply $Delta$ on both sides taking advantage from the "theorems" above: we get
    $$
    underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_n textrm times = 2n+1
    $$
    so we conclude $n=2n+1$ and we have the paradox.



    Here maybe the mistake is more clear: the rule $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$ doesn't work when $k$ is a function (of the same variable of the $f_i$), in fact it amounts to do a computation like this:
    $$
    Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
    underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorRedn textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n
    $$
    that is wrong, the right way being this:
    $$
    Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
    underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorGreen(n+1) textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n+(n+1).
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      Lets define what is x+x+x+... x times for x - real. Natural definition is x+x+x.. := x*x (note - just the same as Isaac has wrote in his edit).



      Suppose we want left our initial definition as is. We don't know what is x+x+.. repeat x times for x - real (and note we don't have rule how to obtain derivative from such func). So lets use definition of derivative. f(x):=x+x+x.. repeat x times, Df(x)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h, h->0. Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x+h times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times))/h, h->0. Suppose x+x+... repeat a+b times := (x+x+.. repeat a times) + (x+x+.. repeat b times) we have Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, Df(x)=((h+h+h.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, or Df(x)=(1+1+1.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat 1 times), h->0 and at last Df(x)=x + x+h, h->0 = 2x






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        There is the sum rule in differentiation:
        $$(f_1(x)+f_2(x)+...+f_k(x))'=f_1'(x)+f_2'(x)+...+f_k'(x),$$ where $k$ is any positive integer number.

        We can not use this rule to take the derivative of LHS, because $x$ in "$x$ times" is not a number, it is a variable, like in "function $f(x)$".






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          The problem is that the equation $x + cdots + x = x^2$ only holds for two values of $x$, namely if you added $x$ with itself $n$ times, it holds at $x=0$ and $x=n$. Therefore your equation becomes $nx = x^2$, the differential is $n = 2x$ (the number of terms in the LHS of the equation should not depend on the real/complex parameter $x$) and the only thing you can deduce from this is that the first equation is equivalent to $x^2 - nx = x(x-n) = 0$ and the second equation is $x=n/2$, so when $x=0$ or $x=n$ then the sum of the $x$'s and $x^2$ are equal, and when $x=n/2$ the derivative of the sum and $x^2$ are equal. The deduction that $1=2$ is simply not true. The equality $nx = x^2$ is not comparable to an equality like $sin x^2 = 1 - cos x^2$ : the equation $nx = x^2$ holds for only two values of $x$, where as the trigonometric equation holds for any real/complex value of $x$.



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            Even if x were to be an integer, once you have x=2x, a possible value for is 0 which would make that equation true. Thus if x can be zero, then you are simply dividing by a variable that equals 0. And you cannot divide by zero!!!!






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              The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
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            You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x.



            Even beyond that, if you can express x2 as x + x + x + ... (repeated x times), then x must be an integer and if the domain of the expression is the integers, (continuous) differentiation does not make sense and/or the derivatives do not exist.



            (edit: I gave my first reason first because the second reason can be smoothed over by taking "repeated x times" to mean something like $undersetlfloor xrfloormathrm addendsunderbracex+x+cdots+x+(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$.)






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              A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
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              Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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            You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x.



            Even beyond that, if you can express x2 as x + x + x + ... (repeated x times), then x must be an integer and if the domain of the expression is the integers, (continuous) differentiation does not make sense and/or the derivatives do not exist.



            (edit: I gave my first reason first because the second reason can be smoothed over by taking "repeated x times" to mean something like $undersetlfloor xrfloormathrm addendsunderbracex+x+cdots+x+(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$.)






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              A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
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              Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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              "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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            You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x.



            Even beyond that, if you can express x2 as x + x + x + ... (repeated x times), then x must be an integer and if the domain of the expression is the integers, (continuous) differentiation does not make sense and/or the derivatives do not exist.



            (edit: I gave my first reason first because the second reason can be smoothed over by taking "repeated x times" to mean something like $undersetlfloor xrfloormathrm addendsunderbracex+x+cdots+x+(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$.)






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            You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x.



            Even beyond that, if you can express x2 as x + x + x + ... (repeated x times), then x must be an integer and if the domain of the expression is the integers, (continuous) differentiation does not make sense and/or the derivatives do not exist.



            (edit: I gave my first reason first because the second reason can be smoothed over by taking "repeated x times" to mean something like $undersetlfloor xrfloormathrm addendsunderbracex+x+cdots+x+(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$.)







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              A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
              $endgroup$
              – Jules
              Feb 22 '11 at 19:44










            • $begingroup$
              Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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            • $begingroup$
              "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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            • 23




              $begingroup$
              A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
              $endgroup$
              – Jules
              Feb 22 '11 at 19:44










            • $begingroup$
              Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
              $endgroup$
              – Thomas Andrews
              May 16 '17 at 20:30











            • $begingroup$
              "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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              Mar 25 at 4:19







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            23




            $begingroup$
            A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
            $endgroup$
            – Jules
            Feb 22 '11 at 19:44




            $begingroup$
            A simpler version: 1+1+...+1 repeated x times = x. Now you can see that the left hand side is obviously not constant with respect to x.
            $endgroup$
            – Jules
            Feb 22 '11 at 19:44












            $begingroup$
            Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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            – Thomas Andrews
            May 16 '17 at 20:30





            $begingroup$
            Of course, the derivative of $(x-lfloor xrfloor)cdot x$ is $2x-lfloor xrfloor$ when the derivative is defined, so the value you'd get is $2x$ if you took the continuous version.
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            – Thomas Andrews
            May 16 '17 at 20:30













            $begingroup$
            "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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            – Rangan Aryan
            Mar 25 at 4:19




            $begingroup$
            "You cannot take the derivative with respect to x of x + x + x + ... (repeated x times) one term at a time because the number of terms depends on x."-@issac i really loved this statement...but could you please explain about it a bit more?
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            I think the discrete/continuous issue is sort of a red herring. To me, the problem is forgetting to use the chain rule!



            To un-discretize, think of the function $F(u,v) = uv$, which we could think of as $u + dots + u$, $v$ times. Then $x^2 = F(x,x)$. Differentiating both sides gives $2x = F_u(x,x) + F_v(x,x)$, which is perfectly true. In the fallacious example, the problem is essentially that the $F_v$ term has been omitted. In some sense, one has forgotten to differentiate the operation "$x$ times" with respect to $x$! Of course, the notation makes this easier to do.






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              This is a nice explanation.
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            I think the discrete/continuous issue is sort of a red herring. To me, the problem is forgetting to use the chain rule!



            To un-discretize, think of the function $F(u,v) = uv$, which we could think of as $u + dots + u$, $v$ times. Then $x^2 = F(x,x)$. Differentiating both sides gives $2x = F_u(x,x) + F_v(x,x)$, which is perfectly true. In the fallacious example, the problem is essentially that the $F_v$ term has been omitted. In some sense, one has forgotten to differentiate the operation "$x$ times" with respect to $x$! Of course, the notation makes this easier to do.






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              $begingroup$
              This is a nice explanation.
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              – Matt E
              Aug 11 '10 at 4:35






            • 1




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              I side with you on this one. I answered a similar thing here
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            96





            $begingroup$

            I think the discrete/continuous issue is sort of a red herring. To me, the problem is forgetting to use the chain rule!



            To un-discretize, think of the function $F(u,v) = uv$, which we could think of as $u + dots + u$, $v$ times. Then $x^2 = F(x,x)$. Differentiating both sides gives $2x = F_u(x,x) + F_v(x,x)$, which is perfectly true. In the fallacious example, the problem is essentially that the $F_v$ term has been omitted. In some sense, one has forgotten to differentiate the operation "$x$ times" with respect to $x$! Of course, the notation makes this easier to do.






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            I think the discrete/continuous issue is sort of a red herring. To me, the problem is forgetting to use the chain rule!



            To un-discretize, think of the function $F(u,v) = uv$, which we could think of as $u + dots + u$, $v$ times. Then $x^2 = F(x,x)$. Differentiating both sides gives $2x = F_u(x,x) + F_v(x,x)$, which is perfectly true. In the fallacious example, the problem is essentially that the $F_v$ term has been omitted. In some sense, one has forgotten to differentiate the operation "$x$ times" with respect to $x$! Of course, the notation makes this easier to do.







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              This is a nice explanation.
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              Aug 11 '10 at 4:35






            • 1




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              I side with you on this one. I answered a similar thing here
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              – Pedro Tamaroff
              Jul 27 '12 at 2:41












            • 12




              $begingroup$
              This is a nice explanation.
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              – Matt E
              Aug 11 '10 at 4:35






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              I side with you on this one. I answered a similar thing here
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            This is a nice explanation.
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            $begingroup$
            This is a nice explanation.
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            – Matt E
            Aug 11 '10 at 4:35




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            I side with you on this one. I answered a similar thing here
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            – Pedro Tamaroff
            Jul 27 '12 at 2:41




            $begingroup$
            I side with you on this one. I answered a similar thing here
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            Here's my explanation from an old sci.math post:




            Zachary Turner wrote on 26 Jul 2002:




            Let D = d/dx = derivative wrt x. Then



            D[x^2] = D[x + x + ... + x (x times)]
            = D[x] + D[x] + ... + D[x] (x times)
            = 1 + 1 + ... + 1 (x times)
            = x



            An obvious analogous fallacious argument proves both



            • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Df(x) (x times) = x Df(x)


            • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Dx (f(x) times) = f(x), via Dx = 1


            vs. the correct result: their sum $rm:f(x) + x, Df(x):$
            as given by the Leibniz product rule (= chain rule for times).
            The error arises from overlooking the dependence upon x in both
            arguments of the product $rm: x f(x):$ when applying the chain rule.



            The source of the error becomes clearer if we consider a
            discrete analog. This will also eliminate any tangential
            concerns on the meaning of "(x times)" for non-integer x.
            Namely, we consider the shift operator $rm S:, n to n+1 $ on polynomials $rm:p(n):$ with integer coefficients, where $rm:S p(n) = p(n+1).:$ Here is a similar fallacy



             S[n^2] = S[n + n + ... + n (n times)]
            = S[n] + S[n] + ... + S[n] (n times)
            = 1+n + 1+n + ... + 1+n (n times)
            = (1+n)n


            But correct is $rm S[n^2] = (n+1)^2.:$ Here the "product rule" is
            $rm S[fg] = S[f], S[g], $ not $rm: S[f] g:$ as above.



            The fallacy actually boils down to operator noncommutativity.
            On the space of functions $rm:f(x),:$ consider "x" as the linear
            operator of multiplication by x, so $rm x:, f(x) to x f(x).:$ Then
            the linear operators $rm:D:$ and $rm:x:$ generate an operator algebra
            of polynomials $rm:p(x,D):$ in NON-commutative indeterminates $rm:x,D:$
            since we have



             (Dx)[f] = D[xf] = xD[f] + f = (xD+1)[f], so Dx = xD + 1 ≠ xD

            (Sn)[f] = S[nf] = (n+1)S[f], so Sn = (n+1)S ≠ nS


            This view reveals the error as mistakenly
            assuming commutativity of the operators $rm:x,D:$ or $rm:n,S.$



            Perhaps something to ponder on boring commutes !






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              Here's my explanation from an old sci.math post:




              Zachary Turner wrote on 26 Jul 2002:




              Let D = d/dx = derivative wrt x. Then



              D[x^2] = D[x + x + ... + x (x times)]
              = D[x] + D[x] + ... + D[x] (x times)
              = 1 + 1 + ... + 1 (x times)
              = x



              An obvious analogous fallacious argument proves both



              • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Df(x) (x times) = x Df(x)


              • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Dx (f(x) times) = f(x), via Dx = 1


              vs. the correct result: their sum $rm:f(x) + x, Df(x):$
              as given by the Leibniz product rule (= chain rule for times).
              The error arises from overlooking the dependence upon x in both
              arguments of the product $rm: x f(x):$ when applying the chain rule.



              The source of the error becomes clearer if we consider a
              discrete analog. This will also eliminate any tangential
              concerns on the meaning of "(x times)" for non-integer x.
              Namely, we consider the shift operator $rm S:, n to n+1 $ on polynomials $rm:p(n):$ with integer coefficients, where $rm:S p(n) = p(n+1).:$ Here is a similar fallacy



               S[n^2] = S[n + n + ... + n (n times)]
              = S[n] + S[n] + ... + S[n] (n times)
              = 1+n + 1+n + ... + 1+n (n times)
              = (1+n)n


              But correct is $rm S[n^2] = (n+1)^2.:$ Here the "product rule" is
              $rm S[fg] = S[f], S[g], $ not $rm: S[f] g:$ as above.



              The fallacy actually boils down to operator noncommutativity.
              On the space of functions $rm:f(x),:$ consider "x" as the linear
              operator of multiplication by x, so $rm x:, f(x) to x f(x).:$ Then
              the linear operators $rm:D:$ and $rm:x:$ generate an operator algebra
              of polynomials $rm:p(x,D):$ in NON-commutative indeterminates $rm:x,D:$
              since we have



               (Dx)[f] = D[xf] = xD[f] + f = (xD+1)[f], so Dx = xD + 1 ≠ xD

              (Sn)[f] = S[nf] = (n+1)S[f], so Sn = (n+1)S ≠ nS


              This view reveals the error as mistakenly
              assuming commutativity of the operators $rm:x,D:$ or $rm:n,S.$



              Perhaps something to ponder on boring commutes !






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                Here's my explanation from an old sci.math post:




                Zachary Turner wrote on 26 Jul 2002:




                Let D = d/dx = derivative wrt x. Then



                D[x^2] = D[x + x + ... + x (x times)]
                = D[x] + D[x] + ... + D[x] (x times)
                = 1 + 1 + ... + 1 (x times)
                = x



                An obvious analogous fallacious argument proves both



                • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Df(x) (x times) = x Df(x)


                • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Dx (f(x) times) = f(x), via Dx = 1


                vs. the correct result: their sum $rm:f(x) + x, Df(x):$
                as given by the Leibniz product rule (= chain rule for times).
                The error arises from overlooking the dependence upon x in both
                arguments of the product $rm: x f(x):$ when applying the chain rule.



                The source of the error becomes clearer if we consider a
                discrete analog. This will also eliminate any tangential
                concerns on the meaning of "(x times)" for non-integer x.
                Namely, we consider the shift operator $rm S:, n to n+1 $ on polynomials $rm:p(n):$ with integer coefficients, where $rm:S p(n) = p(n+1).:$ Here is a similar fallacy



                 S[n^2] = S[n + n + ... + n (n times)]
                = S[n] + S[n] + ... + S[n] (n times)
                = 1+n + 1+n + ... + 1+n (n times)
                = (1+n)n


                But correct is $rm S[n^2] = (n+1)^2.:$ Here the "product rule" is
                $rm S[fg] = S[f], S[g], $ not $rm: S[f] g:$ as above.



                The fallacy actually boils down to operator noncommutativity.
                On the space of functions $rm:f(x),:$ consider "x" as the linear
                operator of multiplication by x, so $rm x:, f(x) to x f(x).:$ Then
                the linear operators $rm:D:$ and $rm:x:$ generate an operator algebra
                of polynomials $rm:p(x,D):$ in NON-commutative indeterminates $rm:x,D:$
                since we have



                 (Dx)[f] = D[xf] = xD[f] + f = (xD+1)[f], so Dx = xD + 1 ≠ xD

                (Sn)[f] = S[nf] = (n+1)S[f], so Sn = (n+1)S ≠ nS


                This view reveals the error as mistakenly
                assuming commutativity of the operators $rm:x,D:$ or $rm:n,S.$



                Perhaps something to ponder on boring commutes !






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                Here's my explanation from an old sci.math post:




                Zachary Turner wrote on 26 Jul 2002:




                Let D = d/dx = derivative wrt x. Then



                D[x^2] = D[x + x + ... + x (x times)]
                = D[x] + D[x] + ... + D[x] (x times)
                = 1 + 1 + ... + 1 (x times)
                = x



                An obvious analogous fallacious argument proves both



                • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Df(x) (x times) = x Df(x)


                • $ $ D[x f(x)] = Dx (f(x) times) = f(x), via Dx = 1


                vs. the correct result: their sum $rm:f(x) + x, Df(x):$
                as given by the Leibniz product rule (= chain rule for times).
                The error arises from overlooking the dependence upon x in both
                arguments of the product $rm: x f(x):$ when applying the chain rule.



                The source of the error becomes clearer if we consider a
                discrete analog. This will also eliminate any tangential
                concerns on the meaning of "(x times)" for non-integer x.
                Namely, we consider the shift operator $rm S:, n to n+1 $ on polynomials $rm:p(n):$ with integer coefficients, where $rm:S p(n) = p(n+1).:$ Here is a similar fallacy



                 S[n^2] = S[n + n + ... + n (n times)]
                = S[n] + S[n] + ... + S[n] (n times)
                = 1+n + 1+n + ... + 1+n (n times)
                = (1+n)n


                But correct is $rm S[n^2] = (n+1)^2.:$ Here the "product rule" is
                $rm S[fg] = S[f], S[g], $ not $rm: S[f] g:$ as above.



                The fallacy actually boils down to operator noncommutativity.
                On the space of functions $rm:f(x),:$ consider "x" as the linear
                operator of multiplication by x, so $rm x:, f(x) to x f(x).:$ Then
                the linear operators $rm:D:$ and $rm:x:$ generate an operator algebra
                of polynomials $rm:p(x,D):$ in NON-commutative indeterminates $rm:x,D:$
                since we have



                 (Dx)[f] = D[xf] = xD[f] + f = (xD+1)[f], so Dx = xD + 1 ≠ xD

                (Sn)[f] = S[nf] = (n+1)S[f], so Sn = (n+1)S ≠ nS


                This view reveals the error as mistakenly
                assuming commutativity of the operators $rm:x,D:$ or $rm:n,S.$



                Perhaps something to ponder on boring commutes !







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                answered Jul 29 '10 at 3:28









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                    You cannot differentiate the LHS of your equation




                    $x + x + x + cdots$ (repeated $x$ times) = $x^2$




                    This is because the LHS is not a continuous function; the number of terms depends on $x$ so the LHS is not well defined when $x$ is not an integer. We can only differentiate continuous functions, so this is not valid.






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                      The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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                    You cannot differentiate the LHS of your equation




                    $x + x + x + cdots$ (repeated $x$ times) = $x^2$




                    This is because the LHS is not a continuous function; the number of terms depends on $x$ so the LHS is not well defined when $x$ is not an integer. We can only differentiate continuous functions, so this is not valid.






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                      The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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                      Jul 29 '10 at 3:00













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                    You cannot differentiate the LHS of your equation




                    $x + x + x + cdots$ (repeated $x$ times) = $x^2$




                    This is because the LHS is not a continuous function; the number of terms depends on $x$ so the LHS is not well defined when $x$ is not an integer. We can only differentiate continuous functions, so this is not valid.






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                    You cannot differentiate the LHS of your equation




                    $x + x + x + cdots$ (repeated $x$ times) = $x^2$




                    This is because the LHS is not a continuous function; the number of terms depends on $x$ so the LHS is not well defined when $x$ is not an integer. We can only differentiate continuous functions, so this is not valid.







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                      The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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                      Jul 29 '10 at 3:00












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                      $begingroup$
                      The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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                      Jul 29 '10 at 3:00







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                    The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
                    $endgroup$
                    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
                    Jul 29 '10 at 3:00




                    $begingroup$
                    The problem is not so much that the LHS is not continuous: it is defined on a discrete set (so in particular it is continuous!).
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                    We can create the same "paradox" with finite differences over integers.



                    Given $f: mathbb Z to mathbb Z$ define the "discrete derivative"
                    $$
                    Delta f (n)=f(n+1)-f(n)
                    $$
                    we have the following obvious "theorems":



                    • $Delta(n)=n+1-n=1$

                    • $Delta(n^2)=(n+1)^2-n^2=2n+1$

                    • $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$

                    • $f(n)=g(n) ; forall n quad implies quad Delta f(n)=Delta g(n) ; forall n$

                    So we can start with the correct equality:



                    $$
                    underbracen + n + n + ldots + n_n textrm times= n^2
                    $$



                    and we apply $Delta$ on both sides taking advantage from the "theorems" above: we get
                    $$
                    underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_n textrm times = 2n+1
                    $$
                    so we conclude $n=2n+1$ and we have the paradox.



                    Here maybe the mistake is more clear: the rule $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$ doesn't work when $k$ is a function (of the same variable of the $f_i$), in fact it amounts to do a computation like this:
                    $$
                    Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                    underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorRedn textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n
                    $$
                    that is wrong, the right way being this:
                    $$
                    Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                    underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorGreen(n+1) textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n+(n+1).
                    $$






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                      We can create the same "paradox" with finite differences over integers.



                      Given $f: mathbb Z to mathbb Z$ define the "discrete derivative"
                      $$
                      Delta f (n)=f(n+1)-f(n)
                      $$
                      we have the following obvious "theorems":



                      • $Delta(n)=n+1-n=1$

                      • $Delta(n^2)=(n+1)^2-n^2=2n+1$

                      • $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$

                      • $f(n)=g(n) ; forall n quad implies quad Delta f(n)=Delta g(n) ; forall n$

                      So we can start with the correct equality:



                      $$
                      underbracen + n + n + ldots + n_n textrm times= n^2
                      $$



                      and we apply $Delta$ on both sides taking advantage from the "theorems" above: we get
                      $$
                      underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_n textrm times = 2n+1
                      $$
                      so we conclude $n=2n+1$ and we have the paradox.



                      Here maybe the mistake is more clear: the rule $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$ doesn't work when $k$ is a function (of the same variable of the $f_i$), in fact it amounts to do a computation like this:
                      $$
                      Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                      underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorRedn textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n
                      $$
                      that is wrong, the right way being this:
                      $$
                      Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                      underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorGreen(n+1) textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n+(n+1).
                      $$






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                        $begingroup$

                        We can create the same "paradox" with finite differences over integers.



                        Given $f: mathbb Z to mathbb Z$ define the "discrete derivative"
                        $$
                        Delta f (n)=f(n+1)-f(n)
                        $$
                        we have the following obvious "theorems":



                        • $Delta(n)=n+1-n=1$

                        • $Delta(n^2)=(n+1)^2-n^2=2n+1$

                        • $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$

                        • $f(n)=g(n) ; forall n quad implies quad Delta f(n)=Delta g(n) ; forall n$

                        So we can start with the correct equality:



                        $$
                        underbracen + n + n + ldots + n_n textrm times= n^2
                        $$



                        and we apply $Delta$ on both sides taking advantage from the "theorems" above: we get
                        $$
                        underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_n textrm times = 2n+1
                        $$
                        so we conclude $n=2n+1$ and we have the paradox.



                        Here maybe the mistake is more clear: the rule $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$ doesn't work when $k$ is a function (of the same variable of the $f_i$), in fact it amounts to do a computation like this:
                        $$
                        Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                        underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorRedn textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n
                        $$
                        that is wrong, the right way being this:
                        $$
                        Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                        underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorGreen(n+1) textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n+(n+1).
                        $$






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                        We can create the same "paradox" with finite differences over integers.



                        Given $f: mathbb Z to mathbb Z$ define the "discrete derivative"
                        $$
                        Delta f (n)=f(n+1)-f(n)
                        $$
                        we have the following obvious "theorems":



                        • $Delta(n)=n+1-n=1$

                        • $Delta(n^2)=(n+1)^2-n^2=2n+1$

                        • $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$

                        • $f(n)=g(n) ; forall n quad implies quad Delta f(n)=Delta g(n) ; forall n$

                        So we can start with the correct equality:



                        $$
                        underbracen + n + n + ldots + n_n textrm times= n^2
                        $$



                        and we apply $Delta$ on both sides taking advantage from the "theorems" above: we get
                        $$
                        underbrace1 + 1 + 1 + ldots + 1_n textrm times = 2n+1
                        $$
                        so we conclude $n=2n+1$ and we have the paradox.



                        Here maybe the mistake is more clear: the rule $Delta (f_1+cdots +f_k)=Delta f_1 + cdots +Delta f_k$ doesn't work when $k$ is a function (of the same variable of the $f_i$), in fact it amounts to do a computation like this:
                        $$
                        Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                        underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorRedn textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n
                        $$
                        that is wrong, the right way being this:
                        $$
                        Delta(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=
                        underbrace(n+1) + ldots + (n+1)_colorGreen(n+1) textrm times-(underbracen + ldots + n_n textrm times)=n+(n+1).
                        $$







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                        answered Mar 10 '16 at 8:51









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                            Lets define what is x+x+x+... x times for x - real. Natural definition is x+x+x.. := x*x (note - just the same as Isaac has wrote in his edit).



                            Suppose we want left our initial definition as is. We don't know what is x+x+.. repeat x times for x - real (and note we don't have rule how to obtain derivative from such func). So lets use definition of derivative. f(x):=x+x+x.. repeat x times, Df(x)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h, h->0. Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x+h times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times))/h, h->0. Suppose x+x+... repeat a+b times := (x+x+.. repeat a times) + (x+x+.. repeat b times) we have Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, Df(x)=((h+h+h.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, or Df(x)=(1+1+1.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat 1 times), h->0 and at last Df(x)=x + x+h, h->0 = 2x






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                              Lets define what is x+x+x+... x times for x - real. Natural definition is x+x+x.. := x*x (note - just the same as Isaac has wrote in his edit).



                              Suppose we want left our initial definition as is. We don't know what is x+x+.. repeat x times for x - real (and note we don't have rule how to obtain derivative from such func). So lets use definition of derivative. f(x):=x+x+x.. repeat x times, Df(x)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h, h->0. Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x+h times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times))/h, h->0. Suppose x+x+... repeat a+b times := (x+x+.. repeat a times) + (x+x+.. repeat b times) we have Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, Df(x)=((h+h+h.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, or Df(x)=(1+1+1.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat 1 times), h->0 and at last Df(x)=x + x+h, h->0 = 2x






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                                $begingroup$

                                Lets define what is x+x+x+... x times for x - real. Natural definition is x+x+x.. := x*x (note - just the same as Isaac has wrote in his edit).



                                Suppose we want left our initial definition as is. We don't know what is x+x+.. repeat x times for x - real (and note we don't have rule how to obtain derivative from such func). So lets use definition of derivative. f(x):=x+x+x.. repeat x times, Df(x)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h, h->0. Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x+h times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times))/h, h->0. Suppose x+x+... repeat a+b times := (x+x+.. repeat a times) + (x+x+.. repeat b times) we have Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, Df(x)=((h+h+h.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, or Df(x)=(1+1+1.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat 1 times), h->0 and at last Df(x)=x + x+h, h->0 = 2x






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                                Lets define what is x+x+x+... x times for x - real. Natural definition is x+x+x.. := x*x (note - just the same as Isaac has wrote in his edit).



                                Suppose we want left our initial definition as is. We don't know what is x+x+.. repeat x times for x - real (and note we don't have rule how to obtain derivative from such func). So lets use definition of derivative. f(x):=x+x+x.. repeat x times, Df(x)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h, h->0. Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x+h times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times))/h, h->0. Suppose x+x+... repeat a+b times := (x+x+.. repeat a times) + (x+x+.. repeat b times) we have Df(x)=((x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat x times) - (x+x+x.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, Df(x)=((h+h+h.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat h times))/h, h->0, or Df(x)=(1+1+1.. repeat x times) + (x+h+x+h+x+h.. repeat 1 times), h->0 and at last Df(x)=x + x+h, h->0 = 2x







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                                    There is the sum rule in differentiation:
                                    $$(f_1(x)+f_2(x)+...+f_k(x))'=f_1'(x)+f_2'(x)+...+f_k'(x),$$ where $k$ is any positive integer number.

                                    We can not use this rule to take the derivative of LHS, because $x$ in "$x$ times" is not a number, it is a variable, like in "function $f(x)$".






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                                      There is the sum rule in differentiation:
                                      $$(f_1(x)+f_2(x)+...+f_k(x))'=f_1'(x)+f_2'(x)+...+f_k'(x),$$ where $k$ is any positive integer number.

                                      We can not use this rule to take the derivative of LHS, because $x$ in "$x$ times" is not a number, it is a variable, like in "function $f(x)$".






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                                        There is the sum rule in differentiation:
                                        $$(f_1(x)+f_2(x)+...+f_k(x))'=f_1'(x)+f_2'(x)+...+f_k'(x),$$ where $k$ is any positive integer number.

                                        We can not use this rule to take the derivative of LHS, because $x$ in "$x$ times" is not a number, it is a variable, like in "function $f(x)$".






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                                        There is the sum rule in differentiation:
                                        $$(f_1(x)+f_2(x)+...+f_k(x))'=f_1'(x)+f_2'(x)+...+f_k'(x),$$ where $k$ is any positive integer number.

                                        We can not use this rule to take the derivative of LHS, because $x$ in "$x$ times" is not a number, it is a variable, like in "function $f(x)$".







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                                        answered Sep 12 '15 at 18:32









                                        Julja MuvvJulja Muvv

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                                            The problem is that the equation $x + cdots + x = x^2$ only holds for two values of $x$, namely if you added $x$ with itself $n$ times, it holds at $x=0$ and $x=n$. Therefore your equation becomes $nx = x^2$, the differential is $n = 2x$ (the number of terms in the LHS of the equation should not depend on the real/complex parameter $x$) and the only thing you can deduce from this is that the first equation is equivalent to $x^2 - nx = x(x-n) = 0$ and the second equation is $x=n/2$, so when $x=0$ or $x=n$ then the sum of the $x$'s and $x^2$ are equal, and when $x=n/2$ the derivative of the sum and $x^2$ are equal. The deduction that $1=2$ is simply not true. The equality $nx = x^2$ is not comparable to an equality like $sin x^2 = 1 - cos x^2$ : the equation $nx = x^2$ holds for only two values of $x$, where as the trigonometric equation holds for any real/complex value of $x$.



                                            Hope that helps,






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                                              The problem is that the equation $x + cdots + x = x^2$ only holds for two values of $x$, namely if you added $x$ with itself $n$ times, it holds at $x=0$ and $x=n$. Therefore your equation becomes $nx = x^2$, the differential is $n = 2x$ (the number of terms in the LHS of the equation should not depend on the real/complex parameter $x$) and the only thing you can deduce from this is that the first equation is equivalent to $x^2 - nx = x(x-n) = 0$ and the second equation is $x=n/2$, so when $x=0$ or $x=n$ then the sum of the $x$'s and $x^2$ are equal, and when $x=n/2$ the derivative of the sum and $x^2$ are equal. The deduction that $1=2$ is simply not true. The equality $nx = x^2$ is not comparable to an equality like $sin x^2 = 1 - cos x^2$ : the equation $nx = x^2$ holds for only two values of $x$, where as the trigonometric equation holds for any real/complex value of $x$.



                                              Hope that helps,






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                                                The problem is that the equation $x + cdots + x = x^2$ only holds for two values of $x$, namely if you added $x$ with itself $n$ times, it holds at $x=0$ and $x=n$. Therefore your equation becomes $nx = x^2$, the differential is $n = 2x$ (the number of terms in the LHS of the equation should not depend on the real/complex parameter $x$) and the only thing you can deduce from this is that the first equation is equivalent to $x^2 - nx = x(x-n) = 0$ and the second equation is $x=n/2$, so when $x=0$ or $x=n$ then the sum of the $x$'s and $x^2$ are equal, and when $x=n/2$ the derivative of the sum and $x^2$ are equal. The deduction that $1=2$ is simply not true. The equality $nx = x^2$ is not comparable to an equality like $sin x^2 = 1 - cos x^2$ : the equation $nx = x^2$ holds for only two values of $x$, where as the trigonometric equation holds for any real/complex value of $x$.



                                                Hope that helps,






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                                                The problem is that the equation $x + cdots + x = x^2$ only holds for two values of $x$, namely if you added $x$ with itself $n$ times, it holds at $x=0$ and $x=n$. Therefore your equation becomes $nx = x^2$, the differential is $n = 2x$ (the number of terms in the LHS of the equation should not depend on the real/complex parameter $x$) and the only thing you can deduce from this is that the first equation is equivalent to $x^2 - nx = x(x-n) = 0$ and the second equation is $x=n/2$, so when $x=0$ or $x=n$ then the sum of the $x$'s and $x^2$ are equal, and when $x=n/2$ the derivative of the sum and $x^2$ are equal. The deduction that $1=2$ is simply not true. The equality $nx = x^2$ is not comparable to an equality like $sin x^2 = 1 - cos x^2$ : the equation $nx = x^2$ holds for only two values of $x$, where as the trigonometric equation holds for any real/complex value of $x$.



                                                Hope that helps,







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                                                answered Apr 14 '15 at 0:52









                                                Patrick Da SilvaPatrick Da Silva

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                                                    Even if x were to be an integer, once you have x=2x, a possible value for is 0 which would make that equation true. Thus if x can be zero, then you are simply dividing by a variable that equals 0. And you cannot divide by zero!!!!






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                                                      The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
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                                                    $begingroup$

                                                    Even if x were to be an integer, once you have x=2x, a possible value for is 0 which would make that equation true. Thus if x can be zero, then you are simply dividing by a variable that equals 0. And you cannot divide by zero!!!!






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                                                    • $begingroup$
                                                      The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
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                                                      Mar 3 '14 at 4:40













                                                    -3












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                                                    -3





                                                    $begingroup$

                                                    Even if x were to be an integer, once you have x=2x, a possible value for is 0 which would make that equation true. Thus if x can be zero, then you are simply dividing by a variable that equals 0. And you cannot divide by zero!!!!






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                                                    Even if x were to be an integer, once you have x=2x, a possible value for is 0 which would make that equation true. Thus if x can be zero, then you are simply dividing by a variable that equals 0. And you cannot divide by zero!!!!







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                                                    answered Jan 22 '14 at 19:02









                                                    johnjohn

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                                                    • $begingroup$
                                                      The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
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                                                      Mar 3 '14 at 4:40
















                                                    • $begingroup$
                                                      The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
                                                      $endgroup$
                                                      – Thomas
                                                      Mar 3 '14 at 4:40















                                                    $begingroup$
                                                    The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
                                                    $endgroup$
                                                    – Thomas
                                                    Mar 3 '14 at 4:40




                                                    $begingroup$
                                                    The derivative of $f(x) = x^2$ at $x = 0$ is $0$. No division by zero necessary. -1
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Indicador: Tasa bruta de mortalidad (por 1000 habitantes).Population.Falleció el patriarca de la Iglesia Ortodoxa serbia.Atacan en Kosovo autobuses con peregrinos tras la investidura del patriarca serbio IrinejSerbian in Hungary.Tasas de cambio."Kosovo es de todos sus ciudadanos".Report for Serbia.Country groups by income.GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT (GDP) OF THE REPUBLIC OF SERBIA 1997–2007.Economic Trends in the Republic of Serbia 2006.National Accounts Statitics.Саопштења за јавност.GDP per inhabitant varied by one to six across the EU27 Member States.Un pacto de estabilidad para Serbia.Unemployment rate rises in Serbia.Serbia, Belarus agree free trade to woo investors.Serbia, Turkey call investors to Serbia.Success Stories.U.S. Private Investment in Serbia and Montenegro.Positive trend.Banks in Serbia.La Cámara de Comercio acompaña a empresas madrileñas a Serbia y Croacia.Serbia Industries.Energy and mining.Agriculture.Late crops, fruit and grapes output, 2008.Rebranding Serbia: A Hobby Shortly to Become a Full-Time Job.Final data on livestock statistics, 2008.Serbian cell-phone users.U Srbiji sve više računara.Телекомуникације.U Srbiji 27 odsto gradjana koristi Internet.Serbia and Montenegro.Тренд гледаности програма РТС-а у 2008. и 2009.години.Serbian railways.General Terms.El mercado del transporte aéreo en Serbia.Statistics.Vehículos de motor registrados.Planes ambiciosos para el transporte fluvial.Turismo.Turistički promet u Republici Srbiji u periodu januar-novembar 2007. godine.Your Guide to Culture.Novi Sad - city of culture.Nis - european crossroads.Serbia. Properties inscribed on the World Heritage List .Stari Ras and Sopoćani.Studenica Monastery.Medieval Monuments in Kosovo.Gamzigrad-Romuliana, Palace of Galerius.Skiing and snowboarding in Kopaonik.Tara.New7Wonders of Nature Finalists.Pilgrimage of Saint Sava.Exit Festival: Best european festival.Banje u Srbiji.«The Encyclopedia of world history»Culture.Centenario del arte serbio.«Djordje Andrejevic Kun: el único pintor de los brigadistas yugoslavos de la guerra civil española»About the museum.The collections.Miroslav Gospel – Manuscript from 1180.Historicity in the Serbo-Croatian Heroic Epic.Culture and Sport.Conversación con el rector del Seminario San Sava.'Reina Margot' funde drama, historia y gesto con música de Goran Bregovic.Serbia gana Eurovisión y España decepciona de nuevo con un vigésimo puesto.Home.Story.Emir Kusturica.Tercer oro para Paskaljevic.Nikola Tesla Year.Home.Tesla, un genio tomado por loco.Aniversario de la muerte de Nikola Tesla.El Museo Nikola Tesla en Belgrado.El inventor del mundo actual.República de Serbia.University of Belgrade official statistics.University of Novi Sad.University of Kragujevac.University of Nis.Comida. Cocina serbia.Cooking.Montenegro se convertirá en el miembro 204 del movimiento olímpico.España, campeona de Europa de baloncesto.El Partizan de Belgrado se corona campeón por octava vez consecutiva.Serbia se clasifica para el Mundial de 2010 de Sudáfrica.Serbia Name Squad For Northern Ireland And South Korea Tests.Fútbol.- El Partizán de Belgrado se proclama campeón de la Liga serbia.Clasificacion final Mundial de balonmano Croacia 2009.Serbia vence a España y se consagra campeón mundial de waterpolo.Novak Djokovic no convence pero gana en Australia.Gana Ana Ivanovic el Roland Garros.Serena Williams gana el US Open por tercera vez.Biography.Bradt Travel Guide SerbiaThe Encyclopedia of World War IGobierno de SerbiaPortal del Gobierno de SerbiaPresidencia de SerbiaAsamblea Nacional SerbiaMinisterio de Asuntos exteriores de SerbiaBanco Nacional de SerbiaAgencia Serbia para la Promoción de la Inversión y la ExportaciónOficina de Estadísticas de SerbiaCIA. 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