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I'm a first year undergraduate student and I'm a math major. Currently, I'm taking an intro to analysis class and a linear algebra class. However, I often feel constrained by what I do in class and feel like exploring topics in math beyond class. I'm intrigued by topology but haven't had any prior exposure to it. At this stage, considering that my knowledge of both analysis and linear algebra is fairly elementary, does it make sense to delve into higher-level topics like topology? What are the pre-requisites for introducing oneself to topology? And if you recommend that I go on and try to self-learn some topology, what are some resources I can/should use?



In general, if not topology, at this stage, what beyond class can/should I do? Thanks!










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    Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
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    I've gone over the "basic topology" chapter in Rudin, which introduces some elementary concepts from set theory and topology, including metric spaces. Should that be enough?
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    Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
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    It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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I'm a first year undergraduate student and I'm a math major. Currently, I'm taking an intro to analysis class and a linear algebra class. However, I often feel constrained by what I do in class and feel like exploring topics in math beyond class. I'm intrigued by topology but haven't had any prior exposure to it. At this stage, considering that my knowledge of both analysis and linear algebra is fairly elementary, does it make sense to delve into higher-level topics like topology? What are the pre-requisites for introducing oneself to topology? And if you recommend that I go on and try to self-learn some topology, what are some resources I can/should use?



In general, if not topology, at this stage, what beyond class can/should I do? Thanks!










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    Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
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    I've gone over the "basic topology" chapter in Rudin, which introduces some elementary concepts from set theory and topology, including metric spaces. Should that be enough?
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    Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
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    It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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I'm a first year undergraduate student and I'm a math major. Currently, I'm taking an intro to analysis class and a linear algebra class. However, I often feel constrained by what I do in class and feel like exploring topics in math beyond class. I'm intrigued by topology but haven't had any prior exposure to it. At this stage, considering that my knowledge of both analysis and linear algebra is fairly elementary, does it make sense to delve into higher-level topics like topology? What are the pre-requisites for introducing oneself to topology? And if you recommend that I go on and try to self-learn some topology, what are some resources I can/should use?



In general, if not topology, at this stage, what beyond class can/should I do? Thanks!










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I'm a first year undergraduate student and I'm a math major. Currently, I'm taking an intro to analysis class and a linear algebra class. However, I often feel constrained by what I do in class and feel like exploring topics in math beyond class. I'm intrigued by topology but haven't had any prior exposure to it. At this stage, considering that my knowledge of both analysis and linear algebra is fairly elementary, does it make sense to delve into higher-level topics like topology? What are the pre-requisites for introducing oneself to topology? And if you recommend that I go on and try to self-learn some topology, what are some resources I can/should use?



In general, if not topology, at this stage, what beyond class can/should I do? Thanks!







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    Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
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    – Kavi Rama Murthy
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    I've gone over the "basic topology" chapter in Rudin, which introduces some elementary concepts from set theory and topology, including metric spaces. Should that be enough?
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    – gtoques
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    Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
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    – Don Thousand
    Mar 22 at 23:17






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    It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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    Possible duplicate of Choosing a text for a First Course in Topology
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    – Andrews
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    Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
    $endgroup$
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Mar 22 at 23:10










  • $begingroup$
    I've gone over the "basic topology" chapter in Rudin, which introduces some elementary concepts from set theory and topology, including metric spaces. Should that be enough?
    $endgroup$
    – gtoques
    Mar 22 at 23:15






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    Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
    $endgroup$
    – Don Thousand
    Mar 22 at 23:17






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    It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
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Have you studied metric spaces? Understanding metric spaces well is essential before going into topology. If you have studied metric spaces then a good place to start studying topology is G F Simmon's 'Introduction to Topology and Modern Analysis'
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I've gone over the "basic topology" chapter in Rudin, which introduces some elementary concepts from set theory and topology, including metric spaces. Should that be enough?
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Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
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– Don Thousand
Mar 22 at 23:17




$begingroup$
Yes! In fact, I started studying topology right after finishing Rudin. It does a decent job motivating some of the ideas of point-set topology, and you can dive deeper from there.
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– Don Thousand
Mar 22 at 23:17




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It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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– Aquerman Kuczmenda
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$begingroup$
It is good to mention that since topology uses the language of set theory to broaden concepts found in analysis, a good understanding of elementary set theory would be much appreciated. The first chapter in Munkres book "Topology" should give you plenty examples of some usual set operations, which permiate proofs in general topology.
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Much of point-set topology generalizes ideas from real analysis. You'll find continuity restated in terms of open sets so that it can be defined for functions between spaces where a metric doesn't exist (but this generalized definition agrees with analysis' epsilon-delta definition when one does). Likewise, there is a generalized definition for sequence convergence that agrees with analysis in a metric space, but bizarre things can happen outside of one, such as every sequence converging to every point in the space$^dagger$. You'll also explore specifically which hypotheses we put on a space give rise to different theorems. For instance, in a metric space, we have compactness $iff$ sequential compactness $iff$ limit-point compactness. Why is this so? How do these implications change when we remove hypotheses (e.g. when we assume our topological space isn't a metric space, or when we remove the assumption that two points are guaranteed disjoint neighborhoods)? Two theorems you'll recognize from analysis, the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem and the Heine-Borel theorem, are central to these considerations. So having taken real analysis and encountering things like compactness, continuity, and convergence in a specific kind of topological space (a metric space) makes encountering these concepts in a more general setting easier.



Long story short: real analysis is a sufficient background to get started, and topology is a natural next step.




$^dagger$ This sort of weirdness made me fall in love with topology. I really can't emphasize this enough, and it leads to all sorts of beautiful, often visual constructions.



For instance, here's a connected, locally connected, path-connected, but not locally path-connected subspace of $mathbbR^2$ (source):
enter image description here



And a choice quotient of this yields a connected space where removing any point results in three connected components (source):
enter image description here



And here's Cantor's leaky tent: a connected subset of $mathbbR^2$ that becomes totally disconnected upon removing the single point at the tent's apex.
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    I find that without at least an intermediate knowledge in set theory, it can be hard to delve into more interesting stuff in point-set Topology. Things like Zorn's lemma (AC) are necessary to prove theorems like Tychonoff's.



    I highly recommend Munkres Topology - the book is a pleasure to read, introduces topics with plenty of examples, and in a very logical order.






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      But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
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      @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
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      I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
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      @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
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    In addition to the other answers here, I would strongly recommend you read the book Euler's Gem by D Richeson in your spare time.



    I read this in my first or maybe second year as an undergraduate. This is one of the few "popular" maths books that I found nice to read. This book (along with many other things) inspired me to do my PhD in a related area (symplectic topology).



    Apart from being a nice read, it gives you a real glimpse of some serious topological theorems, using the geometry of familiar objects such as polyhedra. Remember, you have plenty of time to study the technical side of the subject in the later years of your math degree (I wish someone had told me this when I was an undergraduate). The question of what to study is an important one and you should give it real consideration. I think popular maths texts can be very helpful in this direction.






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      Much of point-set topology generalizes ideas from real analysis. You'll find continuity restated in terms of open sets so that it can be defined for functions between spaces where a metric doesn't exist (but this generalized definition agrees with analysis' epsilon-delta definition when one does). Likewise, there is a generalized definition for sequence convergence that agrees with analysis in a metric space, but bizarre things can happen outside of one, such as every sequence converging to every point in the space$^dagger$. You'll also explore specifically which hypotheses we put on a space give rise to different theorems. For instance, in a metric space, we have compactness $iff$ sequential compactness $iff$ limit-point compactness. Why is this so? How do these implications change when we remove hypotheses (e.g. when we assume our topological space isn't a metric space, or when we remove the assumption that two points are guaranteed disjoint neighborhoods)? Two theorems you'll recognize from analysis, the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem and the Heine-Borel theorem, are central to these considerations. So having taken real analysis and encountering things like compactness, continuity, and convergence in a specific kind of topological space (a metric space) makes encountering these concepts in a more general setting easier.



      Long story short: real analysis is a sufficient background to get started, and topology is a natural next step.




      $^dagger$ This sort of weirdness made me fall in love with topology. I really can't emphasize this enough, and it leads to all sorts of beautiful, often visual constructions.



      For instance, here's a connected, locally connected, path-connected, but not locally path-connected subspace of $mathbbR^2$ (source):
      enter image description here



      And a choice quotient of this yields a connected space where removing any point results in three connected components (source):
      enter image description here



      And here's Cantor's leaky tent: a connected subset of $mathbbR^2$ that becomes totally disconnected upon removing the single point at the tent's apex.
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        Much of point-set topology generalizes ideas from real analysis. You'll find continuity restated in terms of open sets so that it can be defined for functions between spaces where a metric doesn't exist (but this generalized definition agrees with analysis' epsilon-delta definition when one does). Likewise, there is a generalized definition for sequence convergence that agrees with analysis in a metric space, but bizarre things can happen outside of one, such as every sequence converging to every point in the space$^dagger$. You'll also explore specifically which hypotheses we put on a space give rise to different theorems. For instance, in a metric space, we have compactness $iff$ sequential compactness $iff$ limit-point compactness. Why is this so? How do these implications change when we remove hypotheses (e.g. when we assume our topological space isn't a metric space, or when we remove the assumption that two points are guaranteed disjoint neighborhoods)? Two theorems you'll recognize from analysis, the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem and the Heine-Borel theorem, are central to these considerations. So having taken real analysis and encountering things like compactness, continuity, and convergence in a specific kind of topological space (a metric space) makes encountering these concepts in a more general setting easier.



        Long story short: real analysis is a sufficient background to get started, and topology is a natural next step.




        $^dagger$ This sort of weirdness made me fall in love with topology. I really can't emphasize this enough, and it leads to all sorts of beautiful, often visual constructions.



        For instance, here's a connected, locally connected, path-connected, but not locally path-connected subspace of $mathbbR^2$ (source):
        enter image description here



        And a choice quotient of this yields a connected space where removing any point results in three connected components (source):
        enter image description here



        And here's Cantor's leaky tent: a connected subset of $mathbbR^2$ that becomes totally disconnected upon removing the single point at the tent's apex.
        enter image description here






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          Much of point-set topology generalizes ideas from real analysis. You'll find continuity restated in terms of open sets so that it can be defined for functions between spaces where a metric doesn't exist (but this generalized definition agrees with analysis' epsilon-delta definition when one does). Likewise, there is a generalized definition for sequence convergence that agrees with analysis in a metric space, but bizarre things can happen outside of one, such as every sequence converging to every point in the space$^dagger$. You'll also explore specifically which hypotheses we put on a space give rise to different theorems. For instance, in a metric space, we have compactness $iff$ sequential compactness $iff$ limit-point compactness. Why is this so? How do these implications change when we remove hypotheses (e.g. when we assume our topological space isn't a metric space, or when we remove the assumption that two points are guaranteed disjoint neighborhoods)? Two theorems you'll recognize from analysis, the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem and the Heine-Borel theorem, are central to these considerations. So having taken real analysis and encountering things like compactness, continuity, and convergence in a specific kind of topological space (a metric space) makes encountering these concepts in a more general setting easier.



          Long story short: real analysis is a sufficient background to get started, and topology is a natural next step.




          $^dagger$ This sort of weirdness made me fall in love with topology. I really can't emphasize this enough, and it leads to all sorts of beautiful, often visual constructions.



          For instance, here's a connected, locally connected, path-connected, but not locally path-connected subspace of $mathbbR^2$ (source):
          enter image description here



          And a choice quotient of this yields a connected space where removing any point results in three connected components (source):
          enter image description here



          And here's Cantor's leaky tent: a connected subset of $mathbbR^2$ that becomes totally disconnected upon removing the single point at the tent's apex.
          enter image description here






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          Much of point-set topology generalizes ideas from real analysis. You'll find continuity restated in terms of open sets so that it can be defined for functions between spaces where a metric doesn't exist (but this generalized definition agrees with analysis' epsilon-delta definition when one does). Likewise, there is a generalized definition for sequence convergence that agrees with analysis in a metric space, but bizarre things can happen outside of one, such as every sequence converging to every point in the space$^dagger$. You'll also explore specifically which hypotheses we put on a space give rise to different theorems. For instance, in a metric space, we have compactness $iff$ sequential compactness $iff$ limit-point compactness. Why is this so? How do these implications change when we remove hypotheses (e.g. when we assume our topological space isn't a metric space, or when we remove the assumption that two points are guaranteed disjoint neighborhoods)? Two theorems you'll recognize from analysis, the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem and the Heine-Borel theorem, are central to these considerations. So having taken real analysis and encountering things like compactness, continuity, and convergence in a specific kind of topological space (a metric space) makes encountering these concepts in a more general setting easier.



          Long story short: real analysis is a sufficient background to get started, and topology is a natural next step.




          $^dagger$ This sort of weirdness made me fall in love with topology. I really can't emphasize this enough, and it leads to all sorts of beautiful, often visual constructions.



          For instance, here's a connected, locally connected, path-connected, but not locally path-connected subspace of $mathbbR^2$ (source):
          enter image description here



          And a choice quotient of this yields a connected space where removing any point results in three connected components (source):
          enter image description here



          And here's Cantor's leaky tent: a connected subset of $mathbbR^2$ that becomes totally disconnected upon removing the single point at the tent's apex.
          enter image description here







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              I find that without at least an intermediate knowledge in set theory, it can be hard to delve into more interesting stuff in point-set Topology. Things like Zorn's lemma (AC) are necessary to prove theorems like Tychonoff's.



              I highly recommend Munkres Topology - the book is a pleasure to read, introduces topics with plenty of examples, and in a very logical order.






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                But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
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                @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
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                I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
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                – Kevin Carlson
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                @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
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              I find that without at least an intermediate knowledge in set theory, it can be hard to delve into more interesting stuff in point-set Topology. Things like Zorn's lemma (AC) are necessary to prove theorems like Tychonoff's.



              I highly recommend Munkres Topology - the book is a pleasure to read, introduces topics with plenty of examples, and in a very logical order.






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                But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
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                – Kevin Carlson
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                @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
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                Mar 23 at 1:53










              • $begingroup$
                I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
                $endgroup$
                – Kevin Carlson
                Mar 23 at 2:03






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
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                – Mariah
                Mar 23 at 2:07













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              $begingroup$

              I find that without at least an intermediate knowledge in set theory, it can be hard to delve into more interesting stuff in point-set Topology. Things like Zorn's lemma (AC) are necessary to prove theorems like Tychonoff's.



              I highly recommend Munkres Topology - the book is a pleasure to read, introduces topics with plenty of examples, and in a very logical order.






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              $endgroup$



              I find that without at least an intermediate knowledge in set theory, it can be hard to delve into more interesting stuff in point-set Topology. Things like Zorn's lemma (AC) are necessary to prove theorems like Tychonoff's.



              I highly recommend Munkres Topology - the book is a pleasure to read, introduces topics with plenty of examples, and in a very logical order.







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              MariahMariah

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              • $begingroup$
                But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
                $endgroup$
                – Kevin Carlson
                Mar 23 at 1:42






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
                $endgroup$
                – Mariah
                Mar 23 at 1:53










              • $begingroup$
                I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
                $endgroup$
                – Kevin Carlson
                Mar 23 at 2:03






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
                $endgroup$
                – Mariah
                Mar 23 at 2:07
















              • $begingroup$
                But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
                $endgroup$
                – Kevin Carlson
                Mar 23 at 1:42






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
                $endgroup$
                – Mariah
                Mar 23 at 1:53










              • $begingroup$
                I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
                $endgroup$
                – Kevin Carlson
                Mar 23 at 2:03






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
                $endgroup$
                – Mariah
                Mar 23 at 2:07















              $begingroup$
              But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
              $endgroup$
              – Kevin Carlson
              Mar 23 at 1:42




              $begingroup$
              But I think a student at the OP's lemma can get comfortable with Zorn's lemma with an hour or two's reading-it's not as if one needs to take a course in set theory. I also might argue that Tychonoff's theorem is the only major result in elementary general topology that relies on choice.
              $endgroup$
              – Kevin Carlson
              Mar 23 at 1:42




              1




              1




              $begingroup$
              @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
              $endgroup$
              – Mariah
              Mar 23 at 1:53




              $begingroup$
              @KevinCarlson I think much of point-set topology can be done without choice, but it usually isn't. Moreover, basis set manipulation is absolutely critical to be proficient in, and ordinals provide nice examples. I'm of the opinion that one should learn mathematics slowly, with as thorough a background as possible, especially with something as basic as point-set topology.
              $endgroup$
              – Mariah
              Mar 23 at 1:53












              $begingroup$
              I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
              $endgroup$
              – Kevin Carlson
              Mar 23 at 2:03




              $begingroup$
              I guess my comment was primarily trying to clarify what, exactly, you're trying to claim a student in the OP's situation should do with set theory before moving on to point-set topology. My answer would be "basically nothing", but it sounds like that may not be yours.
              $endgroup$
              – Kevin Carlson
              Mar 23 at 2:03




              1




              1




              $begingroup$
              @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
              $endgroup$
              – Mariah
              Mar 23 at 2:07




              $begingroup$
              @KevinCarlson yup, I recommend to learn to some university level set theory before. I may be biased but in my alma mater that is a strongly encouraged prerequisite, and I find it should be so.
              $endgroup$
              – Mariah
              Mar 23 at 2:07











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              In addition to the other answers here, I would strongly recommend you read the book Euler's Gem by D Richeson in your spare time.



              I read this in my first or maybe second year as an undergraduate. This is one of the few "popular" maths books that I found nice to read. This book (along with many other things) inspired me to do my PhD in a related area (symplectic topology).



              Apart from being a nice read, it gives you a real glimpse of some serious topological theorems, using the geometry of familiar objects such as polyhedra. Remember, you have plenty of time to study the technical side of the subject in the later years of your math degree (I wish someone had told me this when I was an undergraduate). The question of what to study is an important one and you should give it real consideration. I think popular maths texts can be very helpful in this direction.






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                $begingroup$

                In addition to the other answers here, I would strongly recommend you read the book Euler's Gem by D Richeson in your spare time.



                I read this in my first or maybe second year as an undergraduate. This is one of the few "popular" maths books that I found nice to read. This book (along with many other things) inspired me to do my PhD in a related area (symplectic topology).



                Apart from being a nice read, it gives you a real glimpse of some serious topological theorems, using the geometry of familiar objects such as polyhedra. Remember, you have plenty of time to study the technical side of the subject in the later years of your math degree (I wish someone had told me this when I was an undergraduate). The question of what to study is an important one and you should give it real consideration. I think popular maths texts can be very helpful in this direction.






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                  $begingroup$

                  In addition to the other answers here, I would strongly recommend you read the book Euler's Gem by D Richeson in your spare time.



                  I read this in my first or maybe second year as an undergraduate. This is one of the few "popular" maths books that I found nice to read. This book (along with many other things) inspired me to do my PhD in a related area (symplectic topology).



                  Apart from being a nice read, it gives you a real glimpse of some serious topological theorems, using the geometry of familiar objects such as polyhedra. Remember, you have plenty of time to study the technical side of the subject in the later years of your math degree (I wish someone had told me this when I was an undergraduate). The question of what to study is an important one and you should give it real consideration. I think popular maths texts can be very helpful in this direction.






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                  $endgroup$



                  In addition to the other answers here, I would strongly recommend you read the book Euler's Gem by D Richeson in your spare time.



                  I read this in my first or maybe second year as an undergraduate. This is one of the few "popular" maths books that I found nice to read. This book (along with many other things) inspired me to do my PhD in a related area (symplectic topology).



                  Apart from being a nice read, it gives you a real glimpse of some serious topological theorems, using the geometry of familiar objects such as polyhedra. Remember, you have plenty of time to study the technical side of the subject in the later years of your math degree (I wish someone had told me this when I was an undergraduate). The question of what to study is an important one and you should give it real consideration. I think popular maths texts can be very helpful in this direction.







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